Extend Spence / Williams?

Just saying, I honestly think our defense looks better WITHOUT Shazier. We don't give up those huge runs up the middle with as much regularity (minus the SF game, which was Shazier's only good game this season).

His speed hasn't made our defense any better against tight ends, I don't know. I'd give him more of a chance if he stayed healthy, but he can't improve if he can't even see the field. Spence and Williams on the other hand, haven't been world beaters, but they play sound assignment football. When their time comes I think we should look at extending one or both.

Timmons' cap hit is $15 million next season, I think we should extend Spence and/or Williams for that reason also...

Shazier probable. I'll take a wait and see approach on him and still try to remain hopeful, but I won't be really sold on him until I see him string together a few games, and play at least 4 games without getting injured again.

Williams and Spence would be great to keep for depth purposes but I fear one of em will get offered more money than we're willing to pay

Beat me to it, I want to see if Shazier can somehow stay healthy for a long period and go on a tear. They need to position him on the field to better utilize his speed, especially against teams with top tight ends!

Shazier didn't have the luxury of sitting around for 3 years with a busted up knee and learn the defense like Spence has. Just saying...

tony hipchest wrote:

Shazier didn't have the luxury of sitting around for 3 years with a busted up knee and learn the defense like Spence has. Just saying...

True but once he recovered he at least played more than 2 games in a row.

If shazier can't prove he's dependable, we can't afford to lose both spence and VW

I agree that with the people who are saying Shazier needs to prove he can stay healthy soon. He plays good when hes healthy its just that hes never healthy. I wanna see him in there the rest of the season so he can develop into the pass rusher we were looking for.

ImperialFan wrote:

I agree that with the people who are saying Shazier needs to prove he can stay healthy soon. He plays good when hes healthy its just that hes never healthy. I wanna see him in there the rest of the season so he can develop into the pass rusher we were looking for.

middle linebackers aren't the ones rushing the passer all the time and getting sacks in the NFL. That is typically the defensive ends and outside linebackers.

Off the top of my head I can't even think of the last MLB / ILB to have more than 10 sacks

tony hipchest wrote:

ImperialFan wrote:

I agree that with the people who are saying Shazier needs to prove he can stay healthy soon. He plays good when hes healthy its just that hes never healthy. I wanna see him in there the rest of the season so he can develop into the pass rusher we were looking for.

middle linebackers aren't the ones rushing the passer all the time and getting sacks in the NFL. That is typically the defensive ends and outside linebackers.

Off the top of my head I can't even think of the last MLB / ILB to have more than 10 sacks

I don't know the way I see it anyone on the defensive line can be a pass rusher, it may not be his number one duty but I've seen him blitz before , a few times actually and hes gotten to the QB. so whatever. In fact I remember seeing him drag caepernick the fuck down

ImperialFan wrote:

tony hipchest wrote:

ImperialFan wrote:

I agree that with the people who are saying Shazier needs to prove he can stay healthy soon. He plays good when hes healthy its just that hes never healthy. I wanna see him in there the rest of the season so he can develop into the pass rusher we were looking for.

middle linebackers aren't the ones rushing the passer all the time and getting sacks in the NFL. That is typically the defensive ends and outside linebackers.

Off the top of my head I can't even think of the last MLB / ILB to have more than 10 sacks

I don't know the way I see it anyone on the defensive line can be a pass rusher, it may not be his number one duty but I've seen him blitz before , a few times actually and hes gotten to the QB. so whatever. In fact I remember seeing him drag caepernick the fuck down

yeah, I've also seen Lawrence Timmons lead all interior linebackers in sacks and not even make it to the pro bowl.

Bottom line is contrary to what you stated, shazier e was not brought in as a pass rush specialist so if "we" have him on our fantasy team expecting big sack numbers, "we" may be a little disappointed.

I think it is important to know players roles and what they were drafted for.

I am all for extending Spence and Williams. But all this talk about shazier not living up to his draft billing is nonsense. James Farrior was considered a bust after his 3rd to 4th season.

tony hipchest wrote:

ImperialFan wrote:

tony hipchest wrote:

ImperialFan wrote:

I agree that with the people who are saying Shazier needs to prove he can stay healthy soon. He plays good when hes healthy its just that hes never healthy. I wanna see him in there the rest of the season so he can develop into the pass rusher we were looking for.

middle linebackers aren't the ones rushing the passer all the time and getting sacks in the NFL. That is typically the defensive ends and outside linebackers.

Off the top of my head I can't even think of the last MLB / ILB to have more than 10 sacks

I don't know the way I see it anyone on the defensive line can be a pass rusher, it may not be his number one duty but I've seen him blitz before , a few times actually and hes gotten to the QB. so whatever. In fact I remember seeing him drag caepernick the fuck down

yeah, I've also seen Lawrence Timmons lead all interior linebackers in sacks and not even make it to the pro bowl.

Bottom line is contrary to what you stated, shazier e was not brought in as a pass rush specialist so if "we" have him on our fantasy team expecting big sack numbers, "we" may be a little disappointed.

I think it is important to know players roles and what they were drafted for.

Yeah I didn't really know the specifics. If you say you're right about that you probably are. Luckily hes not on my fantasy team, You probably drafted brian hoyer in the first round for your fantasy team

I think Shazier has all the tools to be a great player, his durability is the big question mark. He showed us in the San Fran game exactly what he can do for this defense when he's healthy. I hope he quits getting bit by the injury bug.

tony hipchest wrote:

Shazier didn't have the luxury of sitting around for 3 years with a busted up knee and learn the defense like Spence has. Just saying...

I didn't know a (I say) devastating injury ( you say) busted up knee like that was a luxury.

Sean Spence has been bad this season. Shazier's play has been dominant thus far when he's been on the field. His injury history is a concern, but the drop off in play from Shazier to Spence is significantly noticeable.

Williams should get extended. He's excellent in run defense and improving in pass defense. He looks like he could potentially be the stop-gap between Timmons and the next ILB next to Shazier.

tony hipchest wrote:

I am all for extending Spence and Williams. But all this talk about shazier not living up to his draft billing is nonsense. James Farrior was considered a bust after his 3rd to 4th season.

I'm for extending Williams or Spence, but I don't think the capenomics will allow both. Shazier still may actually string together 12 games in a season, but I still think we were OK at ILB and should have drafted secondary like Calvin Pryor or Darquez Dennard last year instead of Shazier.

El-Gonzo Jackson wrote:

tony hipchest wrote:

I am all for extending Spence and Williams. But all this talk about shazier not living up to his draft billing is nonsense. James Farrior was considered a bust after his 3rd to 4th season.

I'm for extending Williams or Spence, but I don't think the capenomics will allow both.  Shazier still may actually string together 12 games in a season, but I still think we were OK at ILB and should have drafted secondary like Calvin Pryor or Darquez Dennard last year instead of Shazier.

Looking at his injury history I'd have to agree. If he gets healthy and stays that way it will have been a good pick but not a great one. If he doesn't he'll be labeled a bust.

solardave wrote:

El-Gonzo Jackson wrote:

tony hipchest wrote:

I am all for extending Spence and Williams. But all this talk about shazier not living up to his draft billing is nonsense. James Farrior was considered a bust after his 3rd to 4th season.

I'm for extending Williams or Spence, but I don't think the capenomics will allow both.  Shazier still may actually string together 12 games in a season, but I still think we were OK at ILB and should have drafted secondary like Calvin Pryor or Darquez Dennard last year instead of Shazier.

Looking at his injury history I'd have to agree. If he gets healthy and stays that way it will have been a good pick but not a great one. If he doesn't he'll be labeled a bust.

I never followed Shazier in college. Did he get injured often there as well?

ImperialFan wrote:

solardave wrote:

El-Gonzo Jackson wrote:

tony hipchest wrote:

I am all for extending Spence and Williams. But all this talk about shazier not living up to his draft billing is nonsense. James Farrior was considered a bust after his 3rd to 4th season.

I'm for extending Williams or Spence, but I don't think the capenomics will allow both.  Shazier still may actually string together 12 games in a season, but I still think we were OK at ILB and should have drafted secondary like Calvin Pryor or Darquez Dennard last year instead of Shazier.

Looking at his injury history I'd have to agree. If he gets healthy and stays that way it will have been a good pick but not a great one. If he doesn't he'll be labeled a bust.

I never followed Shazier in college. Did he get injured often there as well?

no. He was known for playing through, and never missing games.