2025 QB

it is pretty much a universal prediction that Russ Wilson will get a new contract and someone else will pay Justin Fields. so for discussion purposes we will assume this is what happens.
i have seen it suggested his contract should look similar to what Tampa gave to mayfield. something like 3 years worth around 100 million. i have seen a quote from Russ saying he would like to play for another 5-7 years.
this years QB class looks pretty weak to me as far as anything close to being NFL ready players. i think only 2 will go in the 1st round round being sanders and ward and i suspect the giants and raiders will snatch them up.

my question is would any of you spend a day 2 pick or an early day 3 pick (2-4) on any of the remaining QBs ? i think there is a few promising developmental qbs in this class that just need time and coaching. the downside is the shorter 4 year contract. we have seen multiple QB's lately that were just late bloomers.  

i think given the cap situation and a larger QB contract, there is going to be a big turnover of starters next year. some will get more money elsewhere and some are not worth what they have been making. they need some low cost contributors next season.  so they need to make every one of those draft picks count. using one on a player who you hope will not have to play for a few years is kind of detrimental.

Master_Of_Puppets wrote:

it is pretty much a universal prediction that Russ Wilson will get a new contract and someone else will pay Justin Fields. so for discussion purposes we will assume this is what happens.
i have seen it suggested his contract should look similar to what Tampa gave to mayfield. something like 3 years worth around 100 million. i have seen a quote from Russ saying he would like to play for another 5-7 years.
this years QB class looks pretty weak to me as far as anything close to being NFL ready players. i think only 2 will go in the 1st round round being sanders and ward and i suspect the giants and raiders will snatch them up.

my question is would any of you spend a day 2 pick or an early day 3 pick (2-4) on any of the remaining QBs ? i think there is a few promising developmental qbs in this class that just need time and coaching. the downside is the shorter 4 year contract. we have seen multiple QB's lately that were just late bloomers.  

i think given the cap situation and a larger QB contract, there is going to be a big turnover of starters next year. some will get more money elsewhere and some are not worth what they have been making. they need some low cost contributors next season.  so they need to make every one of those draft picks count. using one on a player who you hope will not have to play for a few years is kind of detrimental.

I'm with you 100% on looking at drafting a good QB anothing like keeping healthy compation in the room,( )injury, might have to go to #3 for a couple games. Might not have the strongest arm but has the eyes to read defenses, the NFL over Paying for Fields when I say over pay is no dis on Fields get the money it's his job I'm Just a fan. With these more open college offenses you'd thing some good 3rd rounders would be coming out?

i bet nobody was predicting 3 years ago that sam darnold would be the top free agent QB in 2025. it really does show you how much a QB needs some talent around him to succeed. yet year after year GM's will keep drafting QB's while the rest of the team is a disaster.
unlike in most other years, there shouldnt be a whole lot of teams looking to spend big on a QB. most teams are either set, still trying out a recent first rounder, or are shackled with a huge QB contract. the browns have a 72 MILLION dollar cap hit the next 2 years for Watson... they cant afford a backup ...

i think the giants, raiders and titans end up with sanders, ward and darnold. i honestly dont see much of a market for justin fields even at 10 million. maybe carolina or indy ?

teams like the jets, saints, rams and seahawks may look to add a 2nd or 3rd round developmental qb.

If Wilson doesn't win us a playoff game why the fuck would we want him back?

People are already saying we should pay him a big contract to stay... for what? He has won some games... so did Fields.

If Wilson can't win the team a Playoff game what's the difference between him and Mason Rudolph or Pickett?

I would go out and sign a guy like Zach Wilson off the backup garbage heap. He has all the skills and just ended up drafted by the Jets he was phenomenal in college is very accurate and has a high football IQ. Bring him in and give him a fair shot.

Or any of the recent high QB draft picks that were "busts" on shitty teams.i want someone thatbis accurate with a high game IQ that can win us some god damned playoff games and get us back to the show.

SteelerFreak58 wrote:

If Wilson doesn't win us a playoff game why the fuck would we want him back?

People are already saying we should pay him a big contract to stay... for what? He has won some games... so did Fields.

If Wilson can't win the team a Playoff game what's the difference between him and Mason Rudolph or Pickett?

I would go out and sign a guy like Zach Wilson off the backup garbage heap. He has all the skills and just ended up drafted by the Jets he was phenomenal in college is very accurate and has a high football IQ. Bring him in and give him a fair shot.

Or any of the recent high QB draft picks that were "busts" on shitty teams.i want someone thatbis accurate with a high game IQ that can win us some god damned playoff games and get us back to the show.

its a team sport. one person doesnt win or lose the game. its better to judge their individual performance. did russ lose the cleveland game ? 21/28 270 yds. not bad considering the weather conditions. if i was to blame anyone for that game i would be looking at the defense. Russ also didnt assemble the horrible receiver group. but i digress because there is still a lot of football to be played. i will wait till the end of the season to judge. but i can say without a doubt, wilson has looked consistently better the last 5 games than fields did the first 6.
i would be down with picking up zach wilson for a backup.

SteelerFreak58 wrote:

If Wilson doesn't win us a playoff game why the fuck would we want him back?

People are already saying we should pay him a big contract to stay... for what? He has won some games... so did Fields.

If Wilson can't win the team a Playoff game what's the difference between him and Mason Rudolph or Pickett?

I would go out and sign a guy like Zach Wilson off the backup garbage heap. He has all the skills and just ended up drafted by the Jets he was phenomenal in college is very accurate and has a high football IQ. Bring him in and give him a fair shot.

Or any of the recent high QB draft picks that were "busts" on shitty teams.i want someone thatbis accurate with a high game IQ that can win us some god damned playoff games and get us back to the show.

Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in a decade, just saying.


Right now I'd keep Wilson and dump Fields, neither are the future. But Wilson is the better QB.

Master_Of_Puppets wrote:

SteelerFreak58 wrote:

If Wilson doesn't win us a playoff game why the fuck would we want him back?

People are already saying we should pay him a big contract to stay... for what? He has won some games... so did Fields.

If Wilson can't win the team a Playoff game what's the difference between him and Mason Rudolph or Pickett?

I would go out and sign a guy like Zach Wilson off the backup garbage heap. He has all the skills and just ended up drafted by the Jets he was phenomenal in college is very accurate and has a high football IQ. Bring him in and give him a fair shot.

Or any of the recent high QB draft picks that were "busts" on shitty teams.i want someone thatbis accurate with a high game IQ that can win us some god damned playoff games and get us back to the show.

its a team sport. one person doesnt win or lose the game. its better to judge their individual performance. did russ lose the cleveland game ? 21/28 270 yds. not bad considering the weather conditions. if i was to blame anyone for that game i would be looking at the defense. Russ also didnt assemble the horrible receiver group. but i digress because there is still a lot of football to be played. i will wait till the end of the season to judge. but i can say without a doubt, wilson has looked consistently better the last 5 games than fields did the first 6.
i would be down with picking up zach wilson for a backup.

It is a team sport you're right. I am not blaming Wilson for a loss to the Browns but the QB position is commanding a HUGE amount of the salary cap right now. Wilson is 36 years old and while he has looked better then what we have had in the past and his Oline is a bit suspect pass blocking we have been so starved for a decent QB I don't want to over pay someone that can't get us a win in a playoff game when the time comes.

I just have reservations about paying a 36 year old Wilson a big contract when we could get younger guys way cheaper that might be something to work with.

Mach1 wrote:

SteelerFreak58 wrote:

If Wilson doesn't win us a playoff game why the fuck would we want him back?

People are already saying we should pay him a big contract to stay... for what? He has won some games... so did Fields.

If Wilson can't win the team a Playoff game what's the difference between him and Mason Rudolph or Pickett?

I would go out and sign a guy like Zach Wilson off the backup garbage heap. He has all the skills and just ended up drafted by the Jets he was phenomenal in college is very accurate and has a high football IQ. Bring him in and give him a fair shot.

Or any of the recent high QB draft picks that were "busts" on shitty teams.i want someone thatbis accurate with a high game IQ that can win us some god damned playoff games and get us back to the show.

Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in a decade, just saying.


Right now I'd keep Wilson and dump Fields, neither are the future. But Wilson is the better QB.

I guess that is why I am hesitant to pay Wilson a big contract for 3 or 4 years. Is Wilson really going to take us to the promised land?

You're right Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in over a decade. My biggest concern is if we pay Wilson a huge contract then we have other areas that need tending to. TJ and Cam aren't getting any younger.

I am just not sold on Wilson yet. He has done a few nice things but we are still struggling to finish games and our Defense has been a bit of a let down when it really mattered.

SteelerFreak58 wrote:

Mach1 wrote:

SteelerFreak58 wrote:

If Wilson doesn't win us a playoff game why the fuck would we want him back?

People are already saying we should pay him a big contract to stay... for what? He has won some games... so did Fields.

If Wilson can't win the team a Playoff game what's the difference between him and Mason Rudolph or Pickett?

I would go out and sign a guy like Zach Wilson off the backup garbage heap. He has all the skills and just ended up drafted by the Jets he was phenomenal in college is very accurate and has a high football IQ. Bring him in and give him a fair shot.

Or any of the recent high QB draft picks that were "busts" on shitty teams.i want someone thatbis accurate with a high game IQ that can win us some god damned playoff games and get us back to the show.

Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in a decade, just saying.


Right now I'd keep Wilson and dump Fields, neither are the future. But Wilson is the better QB.

I guess that is why I am hesitant to pay Wilson a big contract for 3 or 4 years. Is Wilson really going to take us to the promised land?

You're right Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in over a decade. My biggest concern is if we pay Wilson a huge contract then we have other areas that need tending to. TJ and Cam aren't getting any younger.

I am just not sold on Wilson yet. He has done a few nice things but we are still struggling to finish games and our Defense has been a bit of a let down when it really mattered.

I think a lot of that comes down to piss poor coaching IMO. It's the only constant with this team year in and out.

nobody is answering the question in the original post.

would you spend a 2-4 pick on a QB to develop behind wilson for the next few years ? if yes who would you like to draft ? for example i wouldnt mind drafting penn states QB , drew allar in the 3rd.

I would rather look to draft Haywards replacement and get a WR in the first two rounds. Pickup a Qb in FA. Havent looked into the Qb’s who would be available on Day 2 or 3 but most likely they would be backup material. Just go with Wilson and add a FA Qb. Darnold would not be bad if we could get him. But like MOP said, there will be others to choose from in FA

Master_Of_Puppets wrote:

 nobody is answering the question in the original post.

would you spend a 2-4 pick on a QB to develop behind wilson for the next few years ? if yes who would you like to draft ? for example i wouldnt mind drafting penn states QB , drew allar in the 3rd.  

I'll take a shot at it.

I don't like a 1st round QB this year either. I wouldn't take Sanders and his attitude if they handed him to us. Cam Ward, yeah, I'd go for him but we know we won't get him.

It's a poor QB class. Better to get that 2nd-3rd rounder in a good QB year when someone gets overlooked.

But I like the Allar kid out of Penn State, seen him a few times.

I'd probably go no higher than 4th round for one though. We need the draft capital spent elsewhere this year.

So this does not seem to be the year for franchise worthy QBs. I think our #1 pick would be wasted on a QB. I don't think Fields is our future. If they let Wilson walk and sign Fields I see a lot more frustration for us fans. Here's the thing I think of most. If we can't put together a SOLID o-line and get WRs who can separate and make the contested catches like Pickens can it won't matter who is under center.
The last 5 years with Colbert really set us back. Kahn is doing a pretty good job in FA and maybe he can bring in Zack Wilson or Darnold but again if the line sucks we'll see the reason both were discarded.
So to answer your question MoP I vote no this draft.

If you don't look for a franchise QB you might find one heck once Arthur Smith gets his offense up and running anybody will be able to run it.

i just dont want to turn into one of those teams that keep recycling QB's off of the free agency scrap heap. i think they need to get a young guy with all the physical tools but may be a bit raw and let em hold a clip board for a few seasons. this is the time to do that. dont wait till you need a player to play immediately.
you draft a QB you have a small chance of them being a franchise guy. you dont draft a QB you have a 100% chance of NOT getting a franchise guy.
just a reminder...Russ Wilson was a 3rd round pick.

Master_Of_Puppets wrote:

i just dont want to turn into one of those teams that keep recycling QB's off of the free agency scrap heap. i think they need to get a young guy with all the physical tools but may be a bit raw and let em hold a clip board for a few seasons. this is the time to do that. dont wait till you need a player to play immediately.
you draft a QB you have a small chance of them being a franchise guy. you dont draft a QB you have a 100% chance of NOT getting a franchise guy.
just a reminder...Russ Wilson was a 3rd round pick.

With you on not into the recycling of QBs but if the Steelers could get a QB something like Fields (not saying Fields is the guy) still in his prime fits your system and shows he can run the system I'm ok with that type of QB if QB falls in the draft is great also.

I thought I kind of answered it by saying go get a kid like Zach Wilson. But I wouldn't mind spending a 3rd rounder on a young guy that could sit and learn.

I haven't been able to keep up with College ball this year both of my Daughters play competition soccer and my Saturdays are FUBAR. Not sure what's out there this year especially what would be available in 3rd or 4th round.

solardave wrote:

So this does not seem to be the year for franchise worthy QBs. I think our #1 pick would be wasted on a QB.  I don't think Fields is our future. If they let Wilson walk and sign Fields I see a lot more frustration for us fans. Here's the thing I think of most. If we can't put together a SOLID o-line and get WRs who can separate and make the contested catches like Pickens can it won't matter who is under center.
The last 5 years with Colbert really set us back. Kahn is doing a pretty good job in FA and maybe he can bring in Zack Wilson or Darnold but again if the line sucks we'll see the reason both were discarded.
So to answer your question MoP I vote no this draft.

Very true, I couldn't agree more with you.

I certainly wouldn't draft high. Maybe someone like Allar in round 3 or 4, take a shot at a smart guy that has great work ethic and could develop (I'm thinking, Brock Purdy-type athlete).

It's early to be deciding on QB of course. I think re-signing Russell is definitely in the cards. I also think re-signing Justin is a possibility. Maybe even both although that seems unlikely.

Time will tell and obviously we aren't there yet.

Final note, regarding receiver: don't anyone give up on Roman Wilson yet. Let's see what he can do when he's healthy first - whether it's this year or next.

I'll say this. I feel better about our QB situation now than when Colbert was here. In fact he should be blamed for the mess we were in since Ben retired. He along with Tomlin and Art II ignored Ben's decline and failed to address it. That final fat contract for Ben hurt us in a big way.
I don't know what will happen after the season (probably ends right after our wildcard match) but I'm pretty sure Fields moves on and if Wilson wants a boatload he'll be gone too. That will put us in QB purgatory again. The difference is Omar.
I think one of our biggest needs is a new WR coach. I know we are talent poor at the position but why can't he teach these guys to get open and work back to their QB. I wouldn't be able to look the QB in the eye if I ran such shitty routes.

SteelerFreak58 wrote:

I thought I kind of answered it by saying go get a kid like Zach Wilson. But I wouldn't mind spending a 3rd rounder on a young guy that could sit and learn.

I haven't been able to keep up with College ball this year both of my Daughters play competition soccer and my Saturdays are FUBAR. Not sure what's out there this year especially what would be available in 3rd or 4th round.

of course there is no way of knowing how the draft will shake out, but im predicting only 2 will go in round 1. a lot of the next tier 2 QB's are juniors and some may opt to return to college for another year. quinn ewers from texas comes to mind. he has fallen way short of expectations this year. i think he should return and hit the transfer portal. texas has Arch Manning in the bullpen ready to go.

the steelers will obviously keep 3 QB's on the roster. i just dont see a point in keeping 3 free agent vets on the roster. every few years a developmental QB should be drafted.
even if they re sign Russ Wilson, it doesnt mean they cant add zack wilson. he might get 3-4 million on the market. mitch trubisky signed for 2.6 million this year. josh dobbs 2.2 million. mason rudolf 2.8 million. i still dont see any team paying fields 10 million a year. i mean nobody wanted him for less than that just a few months ago. i find it hard to believe any GM was impressed enough by those 6 games that they think he may be a legit starter now.

i have seen Jalen Milroe from alabama mocked to us in the 1st. that would be my nightmare pick. we already have a milroe that we call justin fields. the difference between fields and milroe is, fields was a much better college QB. Milroe should not even be in a 1st round discussion.

solardave wrote:

I'll say this. I feel better about our QB situation now than when Colbert was here. In fact he should be blamed for the mess we were in since Ben retired. He along with Tomlin and Art II ignored Ben's decline and failed to address it. That final fat contract for Ben hurt us in a big way.
I don't know what will happen after the season (probably ends right after our wildcard match) but I'm pretty sure Fields moves on and if Wilson wants a boatload he'll be gone too. That will put us in QB purgatory again. The difference is Omar.
I think one of our biggest needs is a new WR coach. I know we are talent poor at the position but why can't he teach these guys to get open and work back to their QB. I wouldn't be able to look the QB in the eye if I ran such shitty routes.

Wilson is going to get 35-40 million a year. that number likely goes up if he wins a few playoff games. might as well accept that reality now..

Master_Of_Puppets wrote:

solardave wrote:

I'll say this. I feel better about our QB situation now than when Colbert was here. In fact he should be blamed for the mess we were in since Ben retired. He along with Tomlin and Art II ignored Ben's decline and failed to address it. That final fat contract for Ben hurt us in a big way.
I don't know what will happen after the season (probably ends right after our wildcard match) but I'm pretty sure Fields moves on and if Wilson wants a boatload he'll be gone too. That will put us in QB purgatory again. The difference is Omar.
I think one of our biggest needs is a new WR coach. I know we are talent poor at the position but why can't he teach these guys to get open and work back to their QB. I wouldn't be able to look the QB in the eye if I ran such shitty routes.

Wilson is going to get 35-40 million a year. that number likely goes up if he wins a few playoff games. might as well accept that reality now..

Unless he sees this as a great chance to win it all next year and insure a first ballot entry and will play cheap. Yeah I'm not believing any of that either.

So now the rules are defenses aren't allowed to interfere with receiver down field.



If Joe Gilliam came into the league 20 - 30 years later imo he'd be a really good QB also in todays game. A quick release and throw a ball a mile with accuracy.

effyou515 wrote:

So now the rules are defenses aren't allowed to interfere with receiver down field.



If Joe Gilliam came into the league 20 - 30 years later imo he'd be a really good QB also in todays game. A quick release and throw a ball a mile with accuracy.

Except his drug issues would still have derailed his career.

Massive amount of talent but Jefferson Street Joe could never beat his substance abuse issues, was undisciplined and wouldn't follow game plans as well as missing multiple team meetings.

Died of a drug overdose on Christmas, just days before his 50th birthday.

solardave wrote:

Unless he sees this as a great chance to win it all next year and insure a first ballot entry and will play cheap. Yeah I'm not believing any of that either.  

i also dont think we can completely rule out that another team, or teams may want to bid on wilsons services. in particular, Tennessee. a state with no income tax has to be attractive to an aging vet looking to pad his bank account with possibly his last contract.