Official Draft Day Discussion Thread

Whether this was a good draft or not doesn't change the overall public opinion being that we didn't do very well in the draft SBnation gave us a B and that is about the most generous grade we have gotten. It is widely viewed that we missed out on talent in the second round because of our lack of aggressiveness and once Maxx Williams got scooped up by the Ravens we lost our composure and Colbert put his draft on auto-pick and walked away from his computer.

In my personal opinion Dupree was a good pick, Golson wasn't, I think hes too small and I know plenty of people here will argue till death about him being 5'8 not mattering, so we will have to agree to disagree for now. I think Jesse James was a good pick and I also was pretty happy with the Grant pick as well.

All you have to do is read the link I provide where it shows we got a D- on day 2 of the draft. You can argue all you want but popular public opinion is that Golson went too early, and Coates sucks.

I think we did okay and obviously there is no way to know how this draft went until we see how each respective player pans out. But in general people think we fucked up big on day 2, and I tend to agree.

here Ill copy in paste it for those of you who are in too much denial to click on the link.

Day 1 grade: A-
Day 2 grade: D-
Day 3 grade: A
Overall grade: B-
The skinny: Dupree was being discussed as a potential top-10 pick, so the Steelers got plenty of value grabbing him at No. 22, and without having to trade up. With his size, Dupree suits the team's scheme better than the other top edge rushers in the draft, and he is a freakish athlete who can be a big factor on defense. The team needed to take a corner, but in Golson it got one who is 5-foot-8 and probably went a round too early. Coates' issues with drops are well documented, and that won't play in the Steel City. Grant is a perfect player for the hard-nosed Steelers defense and arguably provides better value than Golson. The team nabbed their tight end in the fifth round after several misses and might have gotten a great one near the goaline in James.


http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000489141/article/2015-nfl-draft-quicksnap-grades-for-afc-teams

ImperialFan wrote:

All you have to do is read the link I provide where it shows we got a D- on day 2 of the draft. You can argue all you want but popular public opinion is that Golson went too early, and Coates sucks.

Coats sucks like popular opinion thought Bryant sucked last year. Of course, no one will admit to being part of that popular opinion now that we know it was wrong.

Do you even know who wrote that D- draft grade for NFL.com?

Only geeks and nerds put so much stock in post draft "draft grades".

Real football people know its just a bunch of material for water cooler talk and entertainment purposes only.

Last year the Cleveland browns received the highest grades.

May your fantasy football team be strong and bring you happiness.

Why are people giving draft grades? Nobody drafted in this year's class has played a down of professional football at this point...

kirklandrules wrote:

ImperialFan wrote:

All you have to do is read the link I provide where it shows we got a D- on day 2 of the draft. You can argue all you want but popular public opinion is that Golson went too early, and Coates sucks.

Coats sucks like popular opinion thought Bryant sucked last year. Of course, no one will admit to being part of that popular opinion now that we know it was wrong.

I'm not saying Coates sucks, thats just popular opinion. It was Bryan Fischer that gave us the D- on day 2, whoever the hell that is. All I was doing was bringing to light what is being said about our draft. I know some of you will stroke out about it but whatever, thats your problem. I'm looking forward to seeing how things pan out and hope all of the draft picks we've made have success and I have confidence in a few of them.

Let's remember that we've had studs come out of the late rounds and studs that were picked up well after draft was over, UDFA's as it were. Two of them come to mind - Willie Parker and none other than James Harrison. And both of them have SB records.

I could give a shite less what the so called experts say about our draft, while they are mostly right, they have also been major league wrong too.

I trust the FO before I trust the talking heads.

Grading a draft before a down is played in the pros..........interesting approach.  

stlrtruck wrote:

Let's remember that we've had studs come out of the late rounds and studs that were picked up well after draft was over, UDFA's as it were.  Two of them come to mind - Willie Parker and none other than James Harrison.  And both of them have SB records.

I could give a shite less what the so called experts say about our draft, while they are mostly right, they have also been major league wrong too.  

I trust the FO before I trust the talking heads.

I trust my gut. My gut says this will be the best draft we've had for a while.

ImperialFan wrote:

Whether this was a good draft or not doesn't change the overall public opinion being that we didn't do very well in the draft SBnation gave us a B and that is about the most generous grade we have gotten. It is widely viewed that we missed out on talent in the second round because of our lack of aggressiveness and once Maxx Williams got scooped up by the Ravens we lost our composure and Colbert put his draft on auto-pick and walked away from his computer.

In my personal opinion Dupree was a good pick, Golson wasn't, I think hes too small and I know plenty of people here will argue till death about him being 5'8 not mattering, so we will have to agree to disagree for now. I think Jesse James was a good pick and I also was pretty happy with the Grant pick as well.

All you have to do is read the link I provide where it shows we got a D- on day 2 of the draft. You can argue all you want but popular public opinion is that Golson went too early, and Coates sucks.

I think we did okay and obviously there is no way to know how this draft went until we see how each respective player pans out. But in general people think we fucked up big on day 2, and I tend to agree.

here Ill copy in paste it for those of you who are in too much denial to click on the link.

Day 1 grade: A-
Day 2 grade: D-
Day 3 grade: A
Overall grade: B-
The skinny: Dupree was being discussed as a potential top-10 pick, so the Steelers got plenty of value grabbing him at No. 22, and without having to trade up. With his size, Dupree suits the team's scheme better than the other top edge rushers in the draft, and he is a freakish athlete who can be a big factor on defense. The team needed to take a corner, but in Golson it got one who is 5-foot-8 and probably went a round too early. Coates' issues with drops are well documented, and that won't play in the Steel City. Grant is a perfect player for the hard-nosed Steelers defense and arguably provides better value than Golson. The team nabbed their tight end in the fifth round after several misses and might have gotten a great one near the goaline in James.


http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000489141/article/2015-nfl-draft-quicksnap-grades-for-afc-teams

ESPN's Kiper has the Steelers among the biggest winners on Day 2. He thinks Golson is a potential steal in round 2.

SI give the Steelers B+ for this year drat.

tony hipchest wrote:

Do you even know who wrote that D- draft grade for NFL.com?

Only geeks and nerds put so much stock in post draft "draft grades".

Real football people know its just a bunch of material for water cooler talk and entertainment purposes only.

Last year the Cleveland browns received the highest grades.

May your fantasy football team be strong and bring you happiness.

Is it too late to trade this entire draft class for Johnny Football and dump that game manager Ben Roethlisberger?

Gotta love guys who bash players who haven't even played a down of NFL football yet.

THE SKY IS FALLING! THE SKY IS FALLING!

How about we reserve judgement until we give them a chance to play? I hardly consider being positive about your freshly drafted players a "problem". I tend to believe the negative nellies who trash draftees before they get a chance to prove themselves and are ready to throw tantrums on the internet like petulant children about it as the ones having a problem. Jeez, just be happy the draft is done and we have addressed a lot of need areas. Give the coaches a chance to coach and the players a chance to gel.  

It's one thing to have questions about a pick or player. It's another whole thing to say someone sucks, is a bust, is too little, or too slow before playing a single snap in the NFL. Some guys can be coached and trained up from their college production. Of course some are going to crap out. News flash, not every single draft pick will make the team every year. It's the nature of the game.

Buddha Bus wrote:

tony hipchest wrote:

Do you even know who wrote that D- draft grade for NFL.com?

Only geeks and nerds put so much stock in post draft "draft grades".

Real football people know its just a bunch of material for water cooler talk and entertainment purposes only.

Last year the Cleveland browns received the highest grades.

May your fantasy football team be strong and bring you happiness.

Is it too late to trade this entire draft class for Johnny Football and dump that game manager Ben Roethlisberger?

Awwwww shucks, I thought for sure this would be the year we traded that bum.

And Johnny Football is my man crush!

steelstoned1972 wrote:

Buddha Bus wrote:

tony hipchest wrote:

Do you even know who wrote that D- draft grade for NFL.com?

Only geeks and nerds put so much stock in post draft "draft grades".

Real football people know its just a bunch of material for water cooler talk and entertainment purposes only.

Last year the Cleveland browns received the highest grades.

May your fantasy football team be strong and bring you happiness.

Is it too late to trade this entire draft class for Johnny Football and dump that game manager Ben Roethlisberger?

Awwwww shucks,  I thought for sure this would be the year we traded that bum.

And Johnny Football is my man crush!

We're just gonna have to settle for cutting his loser ass in camp. Too bad we couldn't have gotten at least a half full cooler of warm Gatorade for him. I would have been happy with that steal.

I I know right , Buddha!  

And hopefully that smurfy cb , that Stone handed Terrell Owens wannabe , and that terrible 7th round selection who has rotten tackling skills and only picked 14 balls in his first season as a starter.  Oh and the award he won is akin to a purple ribbon at a grade school talent show.

Hopefully they all find the door at first round of cuts.

Who's Jim Thorpe anyway ?

steelstoned1972 wrote:

I I know right , Buddha!  

And hopefully that smurfy cb , that Stone handed Terrell Owens wannabe , and that terrible 7th round selection who has rotten tackling skills and only picked 14 balls in his first season as a starter.  Oh and the award he won is akin to a purple ribbon at a grade school talent show.

Hopefully they all find the door at first round of cuts.

Who's Jim Thorpe anyway ?

2015 Steelers Draft Grade: BUST!

Steelstoned, grab a torch and I'll get my pitchfork. We'll pick people up on the way and start at Colbert's house.

Anyhoo , for all we know Bud Dupree could be Bust Dupree , the next Jarvis Jones if you will...uhhh I mean Huey Richardson.

I actually liked what Jones did pre injury. He was around the football , holding the edge on runs , and he flashed big play ability. If not for the human missile, Lt , we may have seen a decent second season.

I know. I know it's time to shut up about Jarvis Jones.

Buddha Bus wrote:

steelstoned1972 wrote:

I I know right , Buddha!  

And hopefully that smurfy cb , that Stone handed Terrell Owens wannabe , and that terrible 7th round selection who has rotten tackling skills and only picked 14 balls in his first season as a starter.  Oh and the award he won is akin to a purple ribbon at a grade school talent show.

Hopefully they all find the door at first round of cuts.

Who's Jim Thorpe anyway ?

2015 Steelers Draft Grade: BUST!

Steelstoned, grab a torch and I'll get my pitchfork. We'll pick people up on the way and start at Colbert's house.

Why do you get the pitchfork ?

steelstoned1972 wrote:

Buddha Bus wrote:

steelstoned1972 wrote:

I I know right , Buddha!  

And hopefully that smurfy cb , that Stone handed Terrell Owens wannabe , and that terrible 7th round selection who has rotten tackling skills and only picked 14 balls in his first season as a starter.  Oh and the award he won is akin to a purple ribbon at a grade school talent show.

Hopefully they all find the door at first round of cuts.

Who's Jim Thorpe anyway ?

2015 Steelers Draft Grade: BUST!

Steelstoned, grab a torch and I'll get my pitchfork. We'll pick people up on the way and start at Colbert's house.

Why do you get the pitchfork ?

Well, actually, it's just my dinner fork, but you should see the size of it!

Too bad I just stumbled across this gif today. It would have been a perfect response to every draft pick.

ImperialFan wrote:

I'm not saying Coates sucks, thats just popular opinion. It was Bryan Fischer that gave us the D- on day 2, whoever the hell that is. All I was doing was bringing to light what is being said about our draft. I know some of you will stroke out about it but whatever, thats your problem. I'm looking forward to seeing how things pan out and hope all of the draft picks we've made have success and I have confidence in a few of them.

It was popular opinion that Martavis Bryant was a product of Sammy Watkins and didn't have the skill set that would translate to the NFL level. He didn't run crisp routes and he had questionable hands.

Looking back on it now, he's probably going to be the third best receiver to come out of a draft class that is going to have its own 30 for 30 one day. Why you put so much stock into what other news outlets have to say -- many of whom parrot and quote each other -- is baffling.

SteelersCanada wrote:

ImperialFan wrote:

I'm not saying Coates sucks, thats just popular opinion. It was Bryan Fischer that gave us the D- on day 2, whoever the hell that is. All I was doing was bringing to light what is being said about our draft. I know some of you will stroke out about it but whatever, thats your problem. I'm looking forward to seeing how things pan out and hope all of the draft picks we've made have success and I have confidence in a few of them.

It was popular opinion that Martavis Bryant was a product of Sammy Watkins and didn't have the skill set that would translate to the NFL level. He didn't run crisp routes and he had questionable hands.

Looking back on it now, he's probably going to be the third best receiver to come out of a draft class that is going to have its own 30 for 30 one day. Why you put so much stock into what other news outlets have to say -- many of whom parrot and quote each other -- is baffling.

I fail to recognize where I ever stated that I put 1 ounce of stock into anything any of the pundits say.
Did you not read where I said "I'm not saying Coates sucks" and "I have confidence in a few of them".

The only thing I put stock in is that a 5'8 corner concerns me a little, I remember seeing McCain and Blake on the field with some of the taller receivers, I remember them not being the best red zone corners and not being the ones you want there when there is a jump ball. Golson is smaller than them, so in that respect it concerns me a little bit. Could he still have success? Yes. Is he really short? Yes. Thats all I'm saying, I dont see where this translates into me saying our draft sucked. All I was doing is pointing out that that is how some people feel and was bringing these views and opinions to light, while not necessarily agreeing with them(except for size concerns about Golson). I have a lot of faith in Dupree, Grant, Holliman James and Coates. Of course they could all end up being busts and the other 3 could be hall of famers. All it is ,is a hail marry prediction. Just trying to have some fun.

kan_t wrote:

ImperialFan wrote:

Whether this was a good draft or not doesn't change the overall public opinion being that we didn't do very well in the draft SBnation gave us a B and that is about the most generous grade we have gotten. It is widely viewed that we missed out on talent in the second round because of our lack of aggressiveness and once Maxx Williams got scooped up by the Ravens we lost our composure and Colbert put his draft on auto-pick and walked away from his computer.

In my personal opinion Dupree was a good pick, Golson wasn't, I think hes too small and I know plenty of people here will argue till death about him being 5'8 not mattering, so we will have to agree to disagree for now. I think Jesse James was a good pick and I also was pretty happy with the Grant pick as well.

All you have to do is read the link I provide where it shows we got a D- on day 2 of the draft. You can argue all you want but popular public opinion is that Golson went too early, and Coates sucks.

I think we did okay and obviously there is no way to know how this draft went until we see how each respective player pans out. But in general people think we fucked up big on day 2, and I tend to agree.

here Ill copy in paste it for those of you who are in too much denial to click on the link.

Day 1 grade: A-
Day 2 grade: D-
Day 3 grade: A
Overall grade: B-
The skinny: Dupree was being discussed as a potential top-10 pick, so the Steelers got plenty of value grabbing him at No. 22, and without having to trade up. With his size, Dupree suits the team's scheme better than the other top edge rushers in the draft, and he is a freakish athlete who can be a big factor on defense. The team needed to take a corner, but in Golson it got one who is 5-foot-8 and probably went a round too early. Coates' issues with drops are well documented, and that won't play in the Steel City. Grant is a perfect player for the hard-nosed Steelers defense and arguably provides better value than Golson. The team nabbed their tight end in the fifth round after several misses and might have gotten a great one near the goaline in James.


http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000489141/article/2015-nfl-draft-quicksnap-grades-for-afc-teams

ESPN's Kiper has the Steelers among the biggest winners on Day 2. He thinks Golson is a potential steal in round 2.

SI give the Steelers B+ for this year drat.

Good

I'm really looking forward to what this new group of players can do. I think it was a very solid draft.

I was surprised by some picks, but I thought they did very well based on who was on the board when they made their selections.

Dupree was a steal. Most thought he would be off the board long before the Steelers made their pick.

Golson was a surprise to me because of his size, but his tape doesn't lie. He could play, especially in the zone schemes the Steelers play. his ball skills are outstanding. I can't wait to see how he plays at the NFL level.

Sammie Coates was another surprise based on team needs. He's a big, strong, fast receiver, but his hands aren't the most reliable. He was a monster against Alabama in the biggest game of the season. He's a big-bodied athletic freak. I could see why they love his potential. He's a big play waiting to happen.

Doran Grant was exactly what they needed when they picked. He's a more physical CB with very good corner abilities. He was a very good pick at that point of the draft, and a bargain.

Jesse James. A 6'7" 260 lb tight end with good athleticism and hands, and a potential red zone weapon in the fifth round with big upside? What's not to like.

Leterrius Walton. They see a player they can develop into something. He has pretty good measurable, and his tape looks good. He's a project, and a potential Cam Thomas replacement.

Anthony Chickillo was a guy playing in a scheme that didn't fit his skill set. He'll be an OLB here, and he has a chance to be productive in the Steelers defensive scheme. This pick reminds me of the Mauro pick last year. He has some real ability and they got him in the sixth round! Again, what's not to like.

Gerod Holliman- They got one of the most productive defensive players in the draft with poor tackling issues. He has all the instincts and ball skills you want in a player, but he has some deficiencies. To think that they got a player like this in the seventh round is ridiculous. He may not make the team, but he could also turn into something.


I honestly don't understand how anyone can look at this draft class and think it was horrible.

I can't wait for camp to begin!

Buddha Bus wrote:

tony hipchest wrote:

Do you even know who wrote that D- draft grade for NFL.com?

Only geeks and nerds put so much stock in post draft "draft grades".

Real football people know its just a bunch of material for water cooler talk and entertainment purposes only.

Last year the Cleveland browns received the highest grades.

May your fantasy football team be strong and bring you happiness.

Is it too late to trade this entire draft class for Johnny Football and dump that game manager Ben Roethlisberger?

Probably so.  This years draft class is too short and we didn't even attempt to address the secondary while every other team landed Richard Sherman and Patrick Peterson clones.

Plus the raiders wouldn't even give us jamarcus Russell for big Ben.  Nobody wants him.

However it is never to late to....   -PANIC!!!!

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I fail to recognize where I ever stated that I put 1 ounce of stock into anything any of the pundits say.
Did you not read where I said "I'm not saying Coates sucks" and "I have confidence in a few of them".

The only thing I put stock in is that a 5'8 corner concerns me a little, I remember seeing McCain and Blake on the field with some of the taller receivers, I remember them not being the best red zone corners and not being the ones you want there when there is a jump ball. Golson is smaller than them, so in that respect it concerns me a little bit. Could he still have success? Yes. Is he really short? Yes. Thats all I'm saying, I dont see where this translates into me saying our draft sucked. All I was doing is pointing out that that is how some people feel and was bringing these views and opinions to light, while not necessarily agreeing with them(except for size concerns about Golson). I have a lot of faith in Dupree, Grant, Holliman James and Coates. Of course they could all end up being busts and the other 3 could be hall of famers. All it is ,is a hail marry prediction. Just trying to have some fun.

You are throwing a complete his sy fit because some unknown hack on NFL.com gave a D- grade to the steelers, making up some bullshit that popular opinion is that coats sucks, and then whining that everybody who doesn't agree with you is in denial.

And you're repeating the exact same thing in every single thread on the subject. That's not being a knowledgeable football fan... that's being annoying.