Let's have an unbiased discussion...

Fire Arians wrote:

Rhyno wrote:

kirklandrules wrote:

Fire Arians wrote:

Shazier's tackle was a textbook tackle, he stuck and wrapped up, it's not like he left his feet and launched into him. Yes it was a hard tackle, but a dirty one, no. If anything it's Bernard's fault he got smashed, he hesitated when he saw shazier coming, and well, if you're just standing there when a 240 lb guy with 4.4 speed is running at you, well, you see what happens.

It definitely wasn't a textbook tackle. A tackler is coached from small fry to the NFL to keep their head up. As a tackler, you should never be looking at your feet. There should never be contact with the top of your helmet ... that's a great way to break your neck.

Other than that, he did a great job on the tackle.

Thank you. No where on Earth is the Shazier hit a "textbook tackle."

Also, the legality of that hit has nothing to do with the offensive player being able or unable to defend himself. It pertains to the "Crown of the Helmet Rule" which is a completely different rule than the "Defenseless Player Rule". Now, it is totally fair to argue that Ryan should not have been flagged here because that rule never or seldom gets enforced. I'm happy it wasn't in this case.

In high school I got coached to tackle helmet first. then again it was a different game, but it's still legal

Fire Arians wrote:

In high school I got coached to tackle helmet first. then again it was a different game, but it's still legal

No Christmas cards will be exchanged between #Bengals, Joey Porter. DC Paul Guenther: "Porter an embarrassment to the coaching profession."

— Paul Dehner Jr. (@pauldehnerjr) January 11, 2016

Guenther said he approached Porter before the game about not talking to his players after many instances in prior game.

— Paul Dehner Jr. (@pauldehnerjr) January 11, 2016

One more, Guenther on if Pittsburgh gave Porter a game ball. "Well, then that goes to show you what kind of organization they're running."

— Paul Dehner Jr. (@pauldehnerjr) January 11, 2016

QueenstownPa wrote:

kirklandrules wrote:

FanSince72 wrote:

JonM229 wrote:

And here's Burfict trying to step on Ramon Foster's foot:



Nice footwork by Foster



Fuck the Bengals!

As I recall, Foster got flagged for a Personal Foul for shoving Burfict on that play and that's one of the examples of the refs trying to set a tone early on.

Foster wasn't flagged for shoving Burfict, he was flagged for stepping on Burfict. Foster's shove came just at the whistle. This is a case of the ref not seeing what Burfict did, but the very end of what Foster was doing. Insane.

I'd like to watch the replay, at what time of the game did this occur?

Rhyno wrote:

Fire Arians wrote:

In high school I got coached to tackle helmet first. then again it was a different game, but it's still legal

I know I'm beating a dead horse here, but if your high school coach taught you to duck your head and lead with the top of your helmet to make a tackle then you had possibly the worst coach in the history of football. Or, maybe you played before they really figured out how dangerous that is. Like Kirklandrules said, that is a great way to break your neck. Perhaps you were screwing coach's daughter?

Atlanta Dan wrote:

Bengals coordinator going after Porter and the Steelers - even John Harbaugh never got this chippy post-game

No Christmas cards will be exchanged between #Bengals, Joey Porter. DC Paul Guenther: "Porter an embarrassment to the coaching profession."

— Paul Dehner Jr. (@pauldehnerjr) January 11, 2016

Guenther said he approached Porter before the game about not talking to his players after many instances in prior game.

— Paul Dehner Jr. (@pauldehnerjr) January 11, 2016

One more, Guenther on if Pittsburgh gave Porter a game ball. "Well, then that goes to show you what kind of organization they're running."

— Paul Dehner Jr. (@pauldehnerjr) January 11, 2016

Atlanta Dan wrote:

Bengals coordinator going after Porter and the Steelers - even John Harbaugh never got this chippy post-game

No Christmas cards will be exchanged between #Bengals, Joey Porter. DC Paul Guenther: "Porter an embarrassment to the coaching profession."

— Paul Dehner Jr. (@pauldehnerjr) January 11, 2016

Guenther said he approached Porter before the game about not talking to his players after many instances in prior game.

— Paul Dehner Jr. (@pauldehnerjr) January 11, 2016

One more, Guenther on if Pittsburgh gave Porter a game ball. "Well, then that goes to show you what kind of organization they're running."

— Paul Dehner Jr. (@pauldehnerjr) January 11, 2016

Please don't talk to my players - I know they will take the bait

harrison'samonster wrote:

Atlanta Dan wrote:

Bengals coordinator going after Porter and the Steelers - even John Harbaugh never got this chippy post-game

No Christmas cards will be exchanged between #Bengals, Joey Porter. DC Paul Guenther: "Porter an embarrassment to the coaching profession."

— Paul Dehner Jr. (@pauldehnerjr) January 11, 2016

Guenther said he approached Porter before the game about not talking to his players after many instances in prior game.

— Paul Dehner Jr. (@pauldehnerjr) January 11, 2016

One more, Guenther on if Pittsburgh gave Porter a game ball. "Well, then that goes to show you what kind of organization they're running."

— Paul Dehner Jr. (@pauldehnerjr) January 11, 2016

 don't talk to my players?  Reminds me of Holmgren wanting to keep the players separated in the Tunnel back in '05 superbowl.  In fact, wasn't the 10 yard neutral area between the 45's set up because of Porter?

FanSince72 wrote:

JonM229 wrote:

And here's Burfict trying to step on Ramon Foster's foot:



Nice footwork by Foster



Fuck the Bengals!

As I recall, Foster got flagged for a Personal Foul for shoving Burfict on that play and that's one of the examples of the refs trying to set a tone early on.

pczach wrote:

The thing that nobody has even talked about that much is the atmosphere in the stadium. After Shazier's hit on Bernard(A legal hit because he was a runner not a defenseless receiver), the crowd became enraged and became part of the problem. For the record, I was concerned for Bernard on the play. He seems like a good guy, and I don't like seeing anyone get hurt. It was very unfortunate.

The crowd violence that was directed at the Steelers fanned the flames of what was already a contentious battle. They immediately started throwing things on the field and at Steelers players. The bombardment carried on for a long time.

OX1947 wrote:

I would give Peezy coach of the year for what he did on Saturday.

pczach wrote:

The thing that nobody has even talked about that much is the atmosphere in the stadium. After Shazier's hit on Bernard(A legal hit because he was a runner not a defenseless receiver), the crowd became enraged and became part of the problem. For the record, I was concerned for Bernard on the play. He seems like a good guy, and I don't like seeing anyone get hurt. It was very unfortunate.

The crowd violence that was directed at the Steelers fanned the flames of what was already a contentious battle. They immediately started throwing things on the field and at Steelers players. The bombardment carried on for a long time.

When Ben got injured, the crowd cheered as loudly as I have ever heard a stadium cheer for an injured player laying on the turf. Classless and just flat out nasty behavior.

When Ben was being carted to the locker room, debris was being thrown at him, hitting him and the cart as he was moving. "Fans" were throwing full bottles of water throughout this outbreak of classless idiocy.

Marvin Lewis presser: Opens  by applauding fans for creating good environment.

— Ray Fittipaldo (@rayfitt1) January 11, 2016

Atlanta Dan wrote:

pczach wrote:

The thing that nobody has even talked about that much is the atmosphere in the stadium. After Shazier's hit on Bernard(A legal hit because he was a runner not a defenseless receiver), the crowd became enraged and became part of the problem. For the record, I was concerned for Bernard on the play. He seems like a good guy, and I don't like seeing anyone get hurt. It was very unfortunate.

The crowd violence that was directed at the Steelers fanned the flames of what was already a contentious battle. They immediately started throwing things on the field and at Steelers players. The bombardment carried on for a long time.

When Ben got injured, the crowd cheered as loudly as I have ever heard a stadium cheer for an injured player laying on the turf. Classless and just flat out nasty behavior.

When Ben was being carted to the locker room, debris was being thrown at him, hitting him and the cart as he was moving. "Fans" were throwing full bottles of water throughout this outbreak of classless idiocy.

Marvin Lewis disagrees  

Marvin Lewis presser: Opens  by applauding fans for creating good environment.

— Ray Fittipaldo (@rayfitt1) January 11, 2016

Although I always thought he was a journeyman coach who would never win a championship, I also thought Lewis was a good guy - he either does not have a f***ing clue or will do anything to keep his job, which now includes sucking up to the enraged fan base that has had it with an 0-7 playoff record

• Bryant's front-flip TD grab (Borderline, but it was a catch. Nothing there to definitively overturn the call on the field.)
  
  The Shazier hit vs. the Burfict hit (The Shazier hit was incidental. Shazier did not aim for the head square on. Watch the replay. Bernard establishes himself as a runner by rule after he catches the ball and takes two steps. Bernard then sets his feet and hesitates as Shazier comes in to make the hit. Watch Bernard's body. His facemask absorbs some of the impact as his head is knocked back, but most of the impact is absorbed into his right shoulder, this is evidenced by the way Bernard's body turns with his right shoulder going back and to Bernard's left. The helmet contact was purely incidental. Mike Pereira stated as much after the game. The Burfict hit on Brown was an absolute no brainer. They claim he tried to let up, which is bullshit. He can be seen flexing his arm, and lowering his shoulder to level the hit directly to Brown's head. The claims that he was trying let up are outright laughable. I was actually arguing about this hit with friends who of course just accuse me of being a Steelers homer, so I can't possibly be objective. One of them told me that you don't get a concussion without being hit in the head. Made me laugh, I promptly told him about a play during practice when I was playing DE in High School. The offense pitched the ball to our left directly to my side. I thought I had a clear shot at our HB, but I heard the footsteps of our LT too little, and too late. Got absolutely de-kleated. There was no helmet contact, but I was later diagnosed with a Level 2 concussion by my doctor and I had one pupil that was more dilated than the other. Whiplash alone can give you a concussion. It really doesn't take much. )
  
  The Munchak/Reggie Nelson sideline dread-grabbing kerfuffle (I kind of think the dread grab was incidental, but Munchak shouldn't have grabbed on. It looks bad either way. Can't say I feel too bad for Reggie Nelson anyways. I thought when he got hurt that was karma coming back and finally biting him in the ass for blowing out Bell's knee the season before last. Nelson isn't as much of a scumbag as Burfict, or Pacman, those guys are hard to top, but he is a douche. I'd tackle that guy by the dreads if I ever had the chance, he's an idiot for wearing them that long to begin with.)
  
  Peezy being on field/instigating (This really shouldn't even be an issue. The Bengals had at least 9 different coaches/staffers on the field during the Bernard injury. So they have no room to talk to begin with as they were not flagged either. When a player is hurt, coaches go on the field, especially for scary looking injuries like that. I do believe however that Porter saw an opportunity to run his mouth off at two idiots in Burfict and Pacman that he knew damn well couldn't maintain any semblance of composure. He knew what he was doing, and Pacman took the bait. Really he has nobody to be mad at but himself for falling for it. Should've shut up, and walked away from the situation and then Boswell has to attempt from 50yds instead of 35. But, I have no issue with Porter being on the field regardless of some obscure rule that's never enforced.)
  
  General game calling by the refs (The officiating was uneven. They failed to call a taunting penalty on Hill when he was imitating William Gay's celebration dance. They failed to call any kind of penalty on Vontaze Burfict on the Roethlisberger hit. Some would argue it was a legal hit, but I see it no different than the types of hits which Harrison has been fined for in the past. I believe Harrison had a similar hit on Drew Brees that he was fined for if I remember correctly. Burfict drove his full weight into Ben, then followed that up with a knee blow to the shoulder while he was on the ground. He should have been flagged. Burfict also should have been flagged when he took the ball and ran all the way across the field and into the tunnel. It was mind boggling to me that no flag was thrown for that. Other than that we were called for something like 10 penalties for a total of 142yds, and they were called for something like 8 penalties for a total of 72yds (give or take a few yards). So the officiating wasn't as lopsided as the Bengals and their fans would have everyone believe.)
  

QueenstownPa wrote:

I guess Peezy fights fire with fire?   Good for Peezy!

Nothing brings the worst out of all of us than a flaming asshole being a flaming asshole.

KeepHarrisonTilHes92 wrote:

QueenstownPa wrote:

I guess Peezy fights fire with fire?   Good for Peezy!

Nothing brings the worst out of all of us than a flaming asshole being a flaming asshole.

When my asshole is on fire the worst definitely comes out of me.

SteelCityUnderground wrote:

Shazier non-call was the right call

It looked worse, to be sure. But it was a legal play, for two reasons.

First, Bernard had the ball long enough to become a runner. As a runner, he wasn’t defenseless. Since he wasn’t defenseless, he could be hit in the head or neck area, and with Shazier’s helmet.

Indeed, the fact that Bernard had the ball long enough to complete the catch and make his loss of possession a fumble means that Bernard had become a runner.

Second, the ban against use of the crown of the helmet doesn’t apply in a bang-bang situation. It requires the person delivering the blow with the crown of the helmet to “line up” the target. While close, that’s not what happened between Bernard and Shazier.

So Shazier rightly wasn’t flagged, and he should be omitted from the coming flurry of fines. Bengals fans may not like that, but it reflects a correct interpretation of the rules.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/01/11/shazier-non-call-was-the-right-call/

Also, I think I mentioned it here earlier... Le'Veon Bell was similarly hit in the Thanksgiving Ravens game a few years ago. No flag. Ugly, but legal hit.