Week 3 - Steelers @ Da Bears

SteelerFreak58 wrote:

AV seems to understand my point and I will tell you everyone of my military brothers and sisters I know have said the same thing I said above. Not one of us has felt disrespected that's out of over 140 Vets Marines, Navy, Army and Air Force that my wife and I know. They may not agree with Kap but they know they fought for his freedom to kneel.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/25/sports/football/villanueva-steelers-anthem.html

As I mentioned in the anthem thread, my father is a disabled Vietnam vet, and he has a much diiferent view. I have other family and friends who have served, and most of them agree with my father. But not all. Like Iowa said, even veterans are split on the issue.

No one I know of is suggesting that Kaepernick and others don't have the right to kneel. But there's a saying ... just because you have the right to do something doesn't mean it's the right thing to do.

Wallace108 wrote:

SteelerFreak58 wrote:

AV seems to understand my point and I will tell you everyone of my military brothers and sisters I know have said the same thing I said above. Not one of us has felt disrespected that's out of over 140 Vets Marines, Navy, Army and Air Force that my wife and I know. They may not agree with Kap but they know they fought for his freedom to kneel.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/25/sports/football/villanueva-steelers-anthem.html

As I mentioned in the anthem thread, my father is a disabled Vietnam vet, and he has a much diiferent view. I have other family and friends who have served, and most of them agree with my father. But not all. Like Iowa said, even veterans are split on the issue.

No one I know of is suggesting that Kaepernick and others don't have the right to kneel. But there's a saying ... just because you have the right to do something doesn't mean it's the right thing to do.

I just think there's a better time to be protesting. If people want to stand arm-in-arm go right ahead, you're still standing and to me that speaks to unity which this country desperately needs. But kneeling during the Anthem obviously doesn't go across well with a majority of Americans. I'm sure other countries out there have their issues but do you see them protesting during their Anthems? No.

The way I look at the whole situation is that we are incredibly lucky to live in the country we live in. The majority of us have roofs over our heads, three square meals a day, the freedom to do what we want, when we want, and we can be as successful as we want to be when we put our minds to it. There are many places in the world that don't have what we have, I think it's pretty insensitive to use the Anthem as a medium for protest as if we have it so bad here in our country... We could be like Syria where children are killed in bombings and families blown to pieces in a ruthless civil war. I'm sure they watch their TVs and see us on the news and say to themselves "Boy we have it it pretty good here compared to those millionaire athletes that are protesting social injustice". I used to wonder why other countries have such a deep-seated hatred of us, and now I look at how people act here nowadays and can see some of the reasoning as to why they hate us. The proper thing to do would be to be active in your communities, to speak to the people across the aisle, to share your opinion openly and let others share theirs without stooping to the level of personal insults and derogatory remarks.

We as a people here can always be better. We're all human beings, we all bleed the same color, and we're all imperfect. If we work together we can achieve amazing things, but so long as we feed into the mainstream media and politicians that want to drive a divide between us... We will continue to be a laughing stock to the rest of the world. The police aren't out systematically killing people, but there are wrongful shootings and there are incidents of police brutality which can and should be abolished, and the people who commit wrongs while wearing a badge can and should be prosecuted. At the same time we need to do better as a people as a whole of raising our kids better, keeping them away from crime, and drugs, and the kinds of decisions that lead them down the wrong path in life. At the same time I believe strongly in personal accountability and holding people responsible for their actions or lack thereof depending on a given situation. America needs to be less about what can you do for me, and more about what can I do for you. Everyone, and I mean everyone can do better. There is no one party to blame for society's issues.

IowaSteeler927 wrote:

Wallace108 wrote:

SteelerFreak58 wrote:

AV seems to understand my point and I will tell you everyone of my military brothers and sisters I know have said the same thing I said above. Not one of us has felt disrespected that's out of over 140 Vets Marines, Navy, Army and Air Force that my wife and I know. They may not agree with Kap but they know they fought for his freedom to kneel.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/25/sports/football/villanueva-steelers-anthem.html

As I mentioned in the anthem thread, my father is a disabled Vietnam vet, and he has a much diiferent view. I have other family and friends who have served, and most of them agree with my father. But not all. Like Iowa said, even veterans are split on the issue.

No one I know of is suggesting that Kaepernick and others don't have the right to kneel. But there's a saying ... just because you have the right to do something doesn't mean it's the right thing to do.

I just think there's a better time to be protesting. If people want to stand arm-in-arm go right ahead, you're still standing and to me that speaks to unity which this country desperately needs. But kneeling during the Anthem obviously doesn't go across well with a majority of Americans. I'm sure other countries out there have their issues but do you see them protesting during their Anthems? No.

The way I look at the whole situation is that we are incredibly lucky to live in the country we live in. The majority of us have roofs over our heads, three square meals a day, the freedom to do what we want, when we want, and we can be as successful as we want to be when we put our minds to it. There are many places in the world that don't have what we have, I think it's pretty insensitive to use the Anthem as a medium for protest as if we have it so bad here in our country... We could be like Syria where children are killed in bombings and families blown to pieces in a ruthless civil war. I'm sure they watch their TVs and see us on the news and say to themselves "Boy we have it it pretty good here compared to those millionaire athletes that are protesting social injustice". I used to wonder why other countries have such a deep-seated hatred of us, and now I look at how people act here nowadays and can see some of the reasoning as to why they hate us. The proper thing to do would be to be active in your communities, to speak to the people across the aisle, to share your opinion openly and let others share theirs without stooping to the level of personal insults and derogatory remarks.

We as a people here can always be better. We're all human beings, we all bleed the same color, and we're all imperfect. If we work together we can achieve amazing things, but so long as we feed into the mainstream media and politicians that want to drive a divide between us... We will continue to be a laughing stock to the rest of the world. The police aren't out systematically killing people, but there are wrongful shootings and there are incidents of police brutality which can and should be abolished, and the people who commit wrongs while wearing a badge can and should be prosecuted. At the same time we need to do better as a people as a whole of raising our kids better, keeping them away from crime, and drugs, and the kinds of decisions that lead them down the wrong path in life. At the same time I believe strongly in personal accountability and holding people responsible for their actions or lack thereof depending on a given situation. America needs to be less about what can you do for me, and more about what can I do for you. Everyone, and I mean everyone can do better. There is no one party to blame for society's issues.

Well said.

Wallace108 wrote:

jak341 wrote:

To really put our game in perspective, Green Bay just took a 14 point lead on the Bears within the first 6 minutes.

You're the guy who shows up to the party and pisses in the punch bowl, aren't you?

Maybe...

jak341 wrote:

Wallace108 wrote:

jak341 wrote:

To really put our game in perspective, Green Bay just took a 14 point lead on the Bears within the first 6 minutes.

You're the guy who shows up to the party and pisses in the punch bowl, aren't you?

Maybe...

Aaron Rodgers showed up Ben last night hope Ben was watching Rodgers showed how to dice up the Bears defense.

effyou515 wrote:

jak341 wrote:

Wallace108 wrote:

jak341 wrote:

To really put our game in perspective, Green Bay just took a 14 point lead on the Bears within the first 6 minutes.

You're the guy who shows up to the party and pisses in the punch bowl, aren't you?

Maybe...

Aaron Rodgers showed up Ben last night hope Ben was watching Rodgers showed how to dice up the Bears defense.

Yeah, the steelers as a whole should've been watching the game tonight. Glad GB put the Bears in their place. Hope this Bears type game doesn't happen again this season...but can't help but worry that it might,with our easily distracted team and brilliant coaches.

As a side note to the discussions above, it would take more than this locker room silliness and anthem stuff to keep me from watching the steelers.

Steeler-in-west wrote:

effyou515 wrote:

jak341 wrote:

Wallace108 wrote:

jak341 wrote:

To really put our game in perspective, Green Bay just took a 14 point lead on the Bears within the first 6 minutes.

You're the guy who shows up to the party and pisses in the punch bowl, aren't you?

Maybe...

Aaron Rodgers showed up Ben last night hope Ben was watching Rodgers showed how to dice up the Bears defense.

Yeah, the steelers as a whole should've been watching the game tonight. Glad GB put the Bears in their place. Hope this Bears type game doesn't happen again this season...but can't help but worry that it might,with our easily distracted team and brilliant coaches.

As a side note to the discussions above, it would take more than this locker room silliness and anthem stuff to keep me from watching the steelers.

As far as not watching, if they signed Colin Kaepernick I would refuse to watch based on my own principles. He has every right to protest, but he doesn't need to insult all of law enforcement based on the actions of the few. So if they signed him, I wouldn't watch until he was gone, but that's just me. Talented or not, no matter your opinion on the guy he would bring an absolute media circus and a lot of people in Steeler Nation would be up-in-arms. I remember when we signed Mike Vick how divisive that decision was, I think Kaepernick would be a million times worse.

As far as anyone else on the Steelers kneeling, I'm not going to hold it against the few players that would kneel because we have guys like Villanueva who will be standing, and I stand with him.