Some fans slamming Wallace....

Butch wrote:

I understand how you feel about Wallie it's the same way I feel about Hines. Even though you would think I have the easier road to hoe it's not what some may think. I was pretty upset with the way they handled his situation in the off season and was horrified that Ben couldn't target him even once during the loss to San Fran last year. Oh well it is what it is. I will be watching tomorrow night so let's hope we see something special that will continue on for the rest of the year. Good Luck Wallie, I can guarantee Steeler Nation will be watching.

BTW not trying to be condescending calling him Wallie just like the way it sounds.

Everyone here calls me Wally. And I'm certain that it's condescending.

Wallace108 wrote:

bayz101 wrote:

I call it a frequent occurrence because I've seen him give up on plays more times than I care to remember, going back to last year.

This is where our disagreement is at. I can think of maybe 4 or 5 passes over three years that he didn't make as much effort as I thought he could have. Of those 4 or 5 passes, maybe 1 or 2 might have been catchable.

This isn't directed at you Bayz, or anyone here for that matter, but I think there's some fans who WANT to hate Wallace because of the hold out. And they're going to jump at every opportunity to criticize him. I can understand those who are frustrated with him and who say he isn't living up to the amount of money he thinks he deserves. But in no way do I agree with those who think we should kick him to the curb and that we'd be better off without him.

I wouldn't say it's want to hate I think we all pull for anyone (including Sweed and Suishum) to succeed when they are wearing the Steelers uniform. As I have stated before WR's are one of the most saturated positions in the NFL and you don't need a great one but a lot of pretty good ones in order to succeed. While Wallace did not endear himself to the fanbase with his lengthy hold out I still want to see him do good, if for no other reason than it helps the team. While I don't want Santonio back I will say that when he was with us he was clutch would love to see that from Wallace. Show me effort show me clutch and I'll be in his corner in a heartbeat. So far he hasn't stood out enough to justify a huge contract.

BTW I freely admit to being a spoiled Steeler fan. Just sayin'.

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Everyone here calls me Wally. And I'm certain that it's condescending.

Damn I'm Stone Cold Busted!!!

Butch wrote:

As I have stated before WR's are one of the most saturated positions in the NFL

The Browns might disagree with you. They haven't been able to find a decent receiver in 10 years.

I get what you're saying, Butch. Hopefully, Wallace steps it up. I know we'll all be paying attention to his effort on Thursday.

I suppose when you angry at a player for something, that players flaws are magnified. Maybe he hasn't failed to "give it his all" on as many occasions as I've noted, it could just be the fact that i'm not happy with that particular flaw in his play.

He HAS given up a lot going back to even early last year, before his slump. That much I know. Just probably isn't as much as my mind keeps telling me.

You know. If a players first impression of you is negative, it's sometimes hard to overlook that. I didn't really pay all that much attention to Wallace is '10, but when I finally started keeping an eye on him in '11, I noticed him giving up on occasion, and that upset me.

Couple that with his holdout, and him giving up on occasion already this season, and patience becomes thin.

bayz101 wrote:

I suppose when you angry at a player for something, that players flaws are magnified. Maybe he hasn't failed to "give it his all" on as many occasions as I've noted, it could just be the fact that i'm not happy with that particular flaw in his play.

He HAS given up a lot going back to even early last year, before his slump. That much I know. Just probably isn't as much as my mind keeps telling me.

You know. If a players first impression of you is negative, it's sometimes hard to overlook that. I didn't really pay all that much attention to Wallace is '10, but when I finally started keeping an eye on him in '11, I noticed him giving up on occasion, and that upset me.

Couple that with his holdout, and him giving up on occasion already this season, and patience becomes thin.

I completely agree with that, Bayz. We all like to think that we're not biased, but our opinions are influenced by our perspectives.

Take Hines for example. As Steelers fans, we viewed him as a tough, aggressive player. He was the epitome of the kind of player we love in Pittsburgh. But a lot of other fans regarded him as a dirty player. How could different people watch the same player and come away with two completely different opinions? Because they went into it with different perspectives. I guarantee that if Hines was on THEIR team, they'd have a much different opinion. Likewise, if Hines was on the Ravens, many of us would probably view him as a dirty player. Most of us likely would say, "No, we wouldn't." But yes, we would.

You saw the same thing at work with Ben during the offseason. That's why some Steelers fans were getting irritated with his comments regarding Arians and Haley, while other Steelers fans felt that the media was making something out of nothing. How could fans hear or read the same comments but come away with vastly different interpretations? It was because of our different perspectives on Ben.

So we're going to see the same thing with Wallace. How we view the effort he's giving is going to be influenced by how we view him in general. Like Butch said ... most of us want to see Wallace do well, because that's good for the Steelers. But I think there's a good number of fans, because of how they feel about Wallace, want the Steelers to win while also seeing Wallace fail. Kind of like what happened in the Eagles game. That way, the Steelers win but they can still bitch about Wallace.

I probably shouldn't post in the post-game Titan loss mood that I'm in......but having been a Steeler fan since 75, many Steeler fans are pretty fickle. I remember Terry Bradshaw getting booed at Three Rivers, yet we wouldn't have won those superbowls without him. It just irritates me when some players may not have a great game, or a great season for that matter, and a few games into the season fans want to get rid of the player. Maybe we, as fans, are somewhat spoiled by the success of the organization -- I don't know. I can't tell you how many times I have been confronted by other team's fans and told that Steeler fans are fair-weathered, and that there are so many empty seats at Heinz Field during the regular season. I don't know, I don't live in the Burgh anymore and I don't even get to see that many games. I'm not a huge fan of Wallace personally, but I think he adds a lot to the game. As Wally said, he commands the double coverage and opens up the other WRs if nothing else. Let's face it, other teams are afraid of his speed.

As far as Hines goes (you guys didn't really think I could post without a Ward comment, did you?), Hines was really respected, though. I belong to the Giants forum, the Vikings forum, and the 49ers forum. I RARELY post, but I do like to read what fans are talking about. When Hines was released, it was the talk of some of those aforementioned forums. Let me tell you, there was a lot of respect for Hines with many fans saying......I hate him, but would have loved to have had him.

I like slamming Wallace because I get a rise out of wallace on this board guess I'm an asshole about that

effyou515 wrote:

I like slamming Wallace because I get a rise out of wallace on this board guess I'm an asshole about that

Wallace108 wrote:

effyou515 wrote:

I like slamming Wallace because I get a rise out of wallace on this board guess I'm an asshole about that

ouch my booty is hurtin

Wallace played well last night, but it's hard to get the ball to him when the QB is scrambling for his life.

Gingerchip wrote:

I probably shouldn't post in the post-game Titan loss mood that I'm in......but having been a Steeler fan since 75, many Steeler fans are pretty fickle. I remember Terry Bradshaw getting booed at Three Rivers, yet we wouldn't have won those superbowls without him. It just irritates me when some players may not have a great game, or a great season for that matter, and a few games into the season fans want to get rid of the player. Maybe we, as fans, are somewhat spoiled by the success of the organization -- I don't know. I can't tell you how many times I have been confronted by other team's fans and told that Steeler fans are fair-weathered, and that there are so many empty seats at Heinz Field during the regular season. I don't know, I don't live in the Burgh anymore and I don't even get to see that many games. I'm not a huge fan of Wallace personally, but I think he adds a lot to the game. As Wally said, he commands the double coverage and opens up the other WRs if nothing else. Let's face it, other teams are afraid of his speed.

As far as Hines goes (you guys didn't really think I could post without a Ward comment, did you?), Hines was really respected, though. I belong to the Giants forum, the Vikings forum, and the 49ers forum. I RARELY post, but I do like to read what fans are talking about. When Hines was released, it was the talk of some of those aforementioned forums. Let me tell you, there was a lot of respect for Hines with many fans saying......I hate him, but would have loved to have had him.

While I respect where you are coming from I can't put Wallie in the same boat with Terry. While Terry was a legend Wallie still has a long ways to go. I am not saying we should get rid of him rather we should not over pay for him. I guess in some ways that may be the same thing, but so far I can't see why we would break the bank for him. 1st of all we have other glaring needs that need to be addressed and 2nd there are to many WR's out there to over pay for one who's pretty good but not clutch. Yes he had a great reception last night and that was all well and fine but where was he in winning time??? You can say that none of our WR's stepped up last night and I would agree, but if you want to get paid you have to separate yourself from the crowd.

As for Hines you will not find a bigger fan than me. I have defended Hines in of all places a Steeler message board. In my eyes Hines could do no wrong. Couldn't believe how many people were fine with the way his release was handled, but that's for another thread.

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As for Hines you will not find a bigger fan than me

Na Uh!!!! I'm his biggest fan!!!!!! (just ask Buddha - he had to pull me in from the ledge. Wally and others had to keep me from burning my terrible towell!!!!)

Seriously, there will never be another Hines in my opinion. And I get where you are coming from, Butch. I don't think, at this point, Wallace is worth the money he is asking, but I don't think he should be thrown under the bus, so to speak, either. I guess we will see what happens at the end of the season.