The 'fuck it, put Ben in there already' thread

Ugly loss aside, I'm just excited to finally see a week of no Vick or Jones at QB for us.

Knee brace, wheelchair, I don't give a damn. If Ben can play, let him

Just out of curiosity, would Antonio and DeAngelo have caught those crucial passes that hit them in the hands if the passes had been thrown by Ben instead of Jones? Will Ben be able to cover the Bengals' receivers better than our secondary covered the Chiefs' receivers?

Wallace108 wrote:

Just out of curiosity, would Antonio and DeAngelo have caught those crucial passes that hit them in the hands if the passes had been thrown by Ben instead of Jones? Will Ben be able to cover the Bengals' receivers better than our secondary covered the Chiefs' receivers?

Not sure, but I know we score more than 13 points

All in all I didn't think Jones played a terrible game. The O-line did not do a great job and it is quite clear the D lost a winnable game here! I am not sure we win this one with Ben in there!?

All this time I thought Landry Jones and Jarvis Landry and Jarvis Jones were all the same person. It all makes sense now.

SoCalFan wrote:

All in all I didn't think Jones played a terrible game. The O-line did not do a great job and it is quite clear the D lost a winnable game here! I am not sure we win this one with Ben in there!?

You watched the same game I did. Jones didn't play a great game, but he also didn't play a horrible game. If Williams didn't drop that easy 3rd down pass and Antonio didn't tip the ball for an INT, it's a different game. But I put this loss on the defense. In the past 5 games, our defense put the offense in a position to win the game. Today, our defense didn't show up. Even Ben struggles to win games when the defense doesn't show up. We can't expect Landry Jones, in his first start, to carry the team.

Tomlin said after the game today he expects Roethlisberger to be back against Bengals next week #Steelers

— Dale Lolley (@dlolleyor) October 25, 2015

Wallace108 wrote:

SoCalFan wrote:

All in all I didn't think Jones played a terrible game. The O-line did not do a great job and it is quite clear the D lost a winnable game here! I am not sure we win this one with Ben in there!?

You watched the same game I did. Jones didn't play a great game, but he also didn't play a horrible game. If Williams didn't drop that easy 3rd down pass and Antonio didn't tip the ball for an INT, it's a different game. But I put this loss on the defense. In the past 5 games, our defense put the offense in a position to win the game. Today, our defense didn't show up. Even Ben struggles to win games when the defense doesn't show up. We can't expect Landry Jones, in his first start, to carry the team.

Not having Tuitt loomed large. He is a big part of our d-line making plays. Can Thomas might as well have been non-existent

IowaSteeler927 wrote:

Wallace108 wrote:

SoCalFan wrote:

All in all I didn't think Jones played a terrible game. The O-line did not do a great job and it is quite clear the D lost a winnable game here! I am not sure we win this one with Ben in there!?

You watched the same game I did. Jones didn't play a great game, but he also didn't play a horrible game. If Williams didn't drop that easy 3rd down pass and Antonio didn't tip the ball for an INT, it's a different game. But I put this loss on the defense. In the past 5 games, our defense put the offense in a position to win the game. Today, our defense didn't show up. Even Ben struggles to win games when the defense doesn't show up. We can't expect Landry Jones, in his first start, to carry the team.

Not having Tuitt loomed large. He is a big part of our d-line making plays. Can Thomas might as well have been non-existent

Tuitt is a difference maker for this defense. He is a young outstanding player. He and Heyward are very good, but they have no depth on the DL. There is a big drop off without Tuitt in the game. There wasn't much pressure on Alex Smith today, and the DL was pushed around in the running game by the Chiefs because they were outplayed at the point of attack.

They need him back soon.

The good news is that he's going to be a stud here for a very long time.

pczach wrote:

IowaSteeler927 wrote:

Wallace108 wrote:

SoCalFan wrote:

All in all I didn't think Jones played a terrible game. The O-line did not do a great job and it is quite clear the D lost a winnable game here! I am not sure we win this one with Ben in there!?

You watched the same game I did. Jones didn't play a great game, but he also didn't play a horrible game. If Williams didn't drop that easy 3rd down pass and Antonio didn't tip the ball for an INT, it's a different game. But I put this loss on the defense. In the past 5 games, our defense put the offense in a position to win the game. Today, our defense didn't show up. Even Ben struggles to win games when the defense doesn't show up. We can't expect Landry Jones, in his first start, to carry the team.

Not having Tuitt loomed large. He is a big part of our d-line making plays. Can Thomas might as well have been non-existent

Tuitt is a difference maker for this defense. He is a young outstanding player. He and Heyward are very good, but they have no depth on the DL. There is a big drop off without Tuitt in the game. There wasn't much pressure on Alex Smith today, and the DL was pushed around in the running game by the Chiefs because they were outplayed at the point of attack.

They need him back soon.

The good news is that he's going to be a stud here for a very long time.

Cam Thomas is a joke. For a guy his size he gets pushed around way too easily. We need to draft some depth next year.

We need Ben but this loss is on the defense.

Yup, defense did them in. When the defense creates turnovers, the offense has responded. Not one turnover was found against the Chiefs.

SteelersYak wrote:

We need Ben but this loss is on the defense.

I'll give the D a pass, they carried this team the past three games and gave us every opportunity to win the past three games, it was time for the offense to step up and they failed. 3 turnovers are what killed us.

The defense had no business letting the Chiefs in this game without their top RB and WR playing.......PERIOD!!!!! Let's not forget, Ben lost to the Bucs AND Mike Vicks Jets.... Yeah THAT Mike Vick!!! So saying he would have made a difference, idk anymore. This team makes average to below average teams look good for some reason. We have now laid eggs against 2 of the saddest teams in the league which is the norm for us no matter who's at QB.

EbonySteel86 wrote:

The defense had no business letting the Chiefs in this game without their top RB and WR playing.......PERIOD!!!!! Let's not forget, Ben lost to the Bucs AND Mike Vicks Jets.... Yeah THAT Mike Vick!!! So saying he would have made a difference, idk anymore. This team makes average to below average teams look good for some reason. We have now laid eggs against 2 of the saddest teams in the league which is the norm for us no matter who's at QB.

Our defense was without Stephon Tuitt, William Gay got banged up, Antwon Blake got taken out for a short while for concussion protocol, Will Allen was out again, and we had rusty Shazier on the field who hadn't played in weeks. The defense did just enough to keep us in the game despite the injuries, and the past three weeks that defense was the only reason we were in position to win games. Like I was saying before, the offense had a chance to step up, and they failed. The defense didn't turn the ball over three times, the offense did. We had opportunities to drive the field and we turned the ball over, or stalled out.

The Ravens are a rivalry game. Forget their record. They're going to give us everything they've got no matter how bad they are on paper. The Chiefs aren't quite as bad as their record would indicate. They do have some weapons outside of Jamaal Charles and their ball control offense lends itself well to keeping them in tight games, especially when you consider the fact they've got a defense loaded with stellar pass rushers. KC was a bit of a nightmare matchup. We got caught by a team that was on it's heels, playing with a chip on it's shoulder at home, and their strength in pass rushers worked well for them coming up against our offensive line without starting center Maurkice Pouncey, and without starting Left Tackle Kelvin Beachum. In fact I'd say that Tamba Hali's sack at the end of the game was one of the major reasons we had no chance at the end. Guess who gave up that sack? Alejandro Villanueva making his first start at LT.

So while the defense made some mistakes, they couldn't be expected to produce at the exact same level with the litany of injuries they had coming in, and the ones suffered during the game itself. It was high time the offense stepped up and our offensive guys just didn't get the job done in crucial situations.

It was an "all-around" bad game on all fronts.  The defense regressed on basic fundamentals... and the offense missed opportunities and turned the ball over.  There were only 2 plays on offense... all day.... to even get excited about.  The long Bell run and Jones to Bryant TD pass.  The rest was painful to watch. This game reminded me of games throughout the '99 and '03 seasons... when nothing went right.

IowaSteeler927 wrote:

EbonySteel86 wrote:

The defense had no business letting the Chiefs in this game without their top RB and WR playing.......PERIOD!!!!! Let's not forget, Ben lost to the Bucs AND Mike Vicks Jets.... Yeah THAT Mike Vick!!! So saying he would have made a difference, idk anymore. This team makes average to below average teams look good for some reason. We have now laid eggs against 2 of the saddest teams in the league which is the norm for us no matter who's at QB.

Our defense was without Stephon Tuitt, William Gay got banged up, Antwon Blake got taken out for a short while for concussion protocol, Will Allen was out again, and we had rusty Shazier on the field who hadn't played in weeks. The defense did just enough to keep us in the game despite the injuries, and the past three weeks that defense was the only reason we were in position to win games. Like I was saying before, the offense had a chance to step up, and they failed. The defense didn't turn the ball over three times, the offense did. We had opportunities to drive the field and we turned the ball over, or stalled out.

The Ravens are a rivalry game. Forget their record. They're going to give us everything they've got no matter how bad they are on paper. The Chiefs aren't quite as bad as their record would indicate. They do have some weapons outside of Jamaal Charles and their ball control offense lends itself well to keeping them in tight games, especially when you consider the fact they've got a defense loaded with stellar pass rushers. KC was a bit of a nightmare matchup. We got caught by a team that was on it's heels, playing with a chip on it's shoulder at home, and their strength in pass rushers worked well for them coming up against our offensive line without starting center Maurkice Pouncey, and without starting Left Tackle Kelvin Beachum. In fact I'd say that Tamba Hali's sack at the end of the game was one of the major reasons we had no chance at the end. Guess who gave up that sack? Alejandro Villanueva making his first start at LT.

So while the defense made some mistakes, they couldn't be expected to produce at the exact same level with the litany of injuries they had coming in, and the ones suffered during the game itself. It was high time the offense stepped up and our offensive guys just didn't get the job done in crucial situations.

The only key lost on defense  was Tuitt. After that, the drop off wasn't great at all. Gay, and Blake are probably the 3rd and 4th best CB's on this team, behind Boykin and Cockrell. Anybody who thinks Boykin isn't playing because of his skillset, is beyond crazy. It's has nothing to do with that, and everything to do with that draft pick clause in his contract. Ain't no way in the holy hell can anyone convince  me that Boykin is not GOOD enough to crack the starting line up on THIS roster.....but that's another story. Regardless, our defense didn't make key stops against a Chiefs team WITHOUT 2 of their top 3 offensive weapons. Championship caliber teams don't let that happen. Defense had to play lights out against that group, expecially with our QB starting for the first time EVER! Defense could have made things alot easier for our offense if they didn't make Alex Smith look like Tom Brady, and West look like......JAMAAL CHARLES!!!

EbonySteel86 wrote:

IowaSteeler927 wrote:

EbonySteel86 wrote:

The defense had no business letting the Chiefs in this game without their top RB and WR playing.......PERIOD!!!!! Let's not forget, Ben lost to the Bucs AND Mike Vicks Jets.... Yeah THAT Mike Vick!!! So saying he would have made a difference, idk anymore. This team makes average to below average teams look good for some reason. We have now laid eggs against 2 of the saddest teams in the league which is the norm for us no matter who's at QB.

Our defense was without Stephon Tuitt, William Gay got banged up, Antwon Blake got taken out for a short while for concussion protocol, Will Allen was out again, and we had rusty Shazier on the field who hadn't played in weeks. The defense did just enough to keep us in the game despite the injuries, and the past three weeks that defense was the only reason we were in position to win games. Like I was saying before, the offense had a chance to step up, and they failed. The defense didn't turn the ball over three times, the offense did. We had opportunities to drive the field and we turned the ball over, or stalled out.

The Ravens are a rivalry game. Forget their record. They're going to give us everything they've got no matter how bad they are on paper. The Chiefs aren't quite as bad as their record would indicate. They do have some weapons outside of Jamaal Charles and their ball control offense lends itself well to keeping them in tight games, especially when you consider the fact they've got a defense loaded with stellar pass rushers. KC was a bit of a nightmare matchup. We got caught by a team that was on it's heels, playing with a chip on it's shoulder at home, and their strength in pass rushers worked well for them coming up against our offensive line without starting center Maurkice Pouncey, and without starting Left Tackle Kelvin Beachum. In fact I'd say that Tamba Hali's sack at the end of the game was one of the major reasons we had no chance at the end. Guess who gave up that sack? Alejandro Villanueva making his first start at LT.

So while the defense made some mistakes, they couldn't be expected to produce at the exact same level with the litany of injuries they had coming in, and the ones suffered during the game itself. It was high time the offense stepped up and our offensive guys just didn't get the job done in crucial situations.

The only key lost on defense  was Tuitt. After that, the drop off wasn't great at all. Gay, and Blake are probably the 3rd and 4th best CB's on this team, behind Boykin and Cockrell. Anybody who thinks Boykin isn't playing because of his skillset, is beyond crazy. It's has nothing to do with that, and everything to do with that draft pick clause in his contract. Ain't no way in the holy hell can anyone convince  me that Boykin is not GOOD enough to crack the starting line up on THIS roster.....but that's another story. Regardless, our defense didn't make key stops against a Chiefs team WITHOUT 2 of their top 3 offensive weapons. Championship caliber teams don't let that happen. Defense had to play lights out against that group, expecially with our QB starting for the first time EVER! Defense could have made things alot easier for our offense if they didn't make Alex Smith look like Tom Brady, and West look like......JAMAAL CHARLES!!!

If Boykin was that great he'd be starting. It's ridiculous to assume that they're keeping a player that's better than what they're currently fielding on the bench because they don't want to give up a little bit higher draft pick. This is the NFL, the coaches are going to put the players on the field that they feel give them the best opportunity to win. If Boykin was so great, then why didn't he play outside in Philly? I think Boykin is a guy that can come in and play the nickel if needed and can also be a quality backup outside in a pinch, but I'm not sold on him as a full time starter on the outside.

The defense was plainly gassed, they were talent deficient due to injuries, and the offense put them in bad situations with three different turnovers. This is not a world beater defense, plain and simple, and they play their best when the offense is able to give them somewhat of a breather. We live and die by our pass rush as well, and Tuitt not being on the field was the major reason our blitzes weren't getting home as often as they had the three games prior to this Chiefs matchup. The defense did enough to give the offense multiple opportunities to come back and win the game, and the offense screwed those opportunities away.

IowaSteeler927 wrote:

EbonySteel86 wrote:

IowaSteeler927 wrote:

EbonySteel86 wrote:

The defense had no business letting the Chiefs in this game without their top RB and WR playing.......PERIOD!!!!! Let's not forget, Ben lost to the Bucs AND Mike Vicks Jets.... Yeah THAT Mike Vick!!! So saying he would have made a difference, idk anymore. This team makes average to below average teams look good for some reason. We have now laid eggs against 2 of the saddest teams in the league which is the norm for us no matter who's at QB.

Our defense was without Stephon Tuitt, William Gay got banged up, Antwon Blake got taken out for a short while for concussion protocol, Will Allen was out again, and we had rusty Shazier on the field who hadn't played in weeks. The defense did just enough to keep us in the game despite the injuries, and the past three weeks that defense was the only reason we were in position to win games. Like I was saying before, the offense had a chance to step up, and they failed. The defense didn't turn the ball over three times, the offense did. We had opportunities to drive the field and we turned the ball over, or stalled out.

The Ravens are a rivalry game. Forget their record. They're going to give us everything they've got no matter how bad they are on paper. The Chiefs aren't quite as bad as their record would indicate. They do have some weapons outside of Jamaal Charles and their ball control offense lends itself well to keeping them in tight games, especially when you consider the fact they've got a defense loaded with stellar pass rushers. KC was a bit of a nightmare matchup. We got caught by a team that was on it's heels, playing with a chip on it's shoulder at home, and their strength in pass rushers worked well for them coming up against our offensive line without starting center Maurkice Pouncey, and without starting Left Tackle Kelvin Beachum. In fact I'd say that Tamba Hali's sack at the end of the game was one of the major reasons we had no chance at the end. Guess who gave up that sack? Alejandro Villanueva making his first start at LT.

So while the defense made some mistakes, they couldn't be expected to produce at the exact same level with the litany of injuries they had coming in, and the ones suffered during the game itself. It was high time the offense stepped up and our offensive guys just didn't get the job done in crucial situations.

The only key lost on defense  was Tuitt. After that, the drop off wasn't great at all. Gay, and Blake are probably the 3rd and 4th best CB's on this team, behind Boykin and Cockrell. Anybody who thinks Boykin isn't playing because of his skillset, is beyond crazy. It's has nothing to do with that, and everything to do with that draft pick clause in his contract. Ain't no way in the holy hell can anyone convince  me that Boykin is not GOOD enough to crack the starting line up on THIS roster.....but that's another story. Regardless, our defense didn't make key stops against a Chiefs team WITHOUT 2 of their top 3 offensive weapons. Championship caliber teams don't let that happen. Defense had to play lights out against that group, expecially with our QB starting for the first time EVER! Defense could have made things alot easier for our offense if they didn't make Alex Smith look like Tom Brady, and West look like......JAMAAL CHARLES!!!

If Boykin was that great he'd be starting. It's ridiculous to assume that they're keeping a player that's better than what they're currently fielding on the bench because they don't want to give up a little bit higher draft pick. This is the NFL, the coaches are going to put the players on the field that they feel give them the best opportunity to win. If Boykin was so great, then why didn't he play outside in Philly? I think Boykin is a guy that can come in and play the nickel if needed and can also be a quality backup outside in a pinch, but I'm not sold on him as a full time starter on the outside.

The defense was plainly gassed, they were talent deficient due to injuries, and the offense put them in bad situations with three different turnovers. This is not a world beater defense, plain and simple, and they play their best when the offense is able to give them somewhat of a breather. We live and die by our pass rush as well, and Tuitt not being on the field was the major reason our blitzes weren't getting home as often as they had the three games prior to this Chiefs matchup. The defense did enough to give the offense multiple opportunities to come back and win the game, and the offense screwed those opportunities away.

Well, we'll see this weekend, cause Boykin is starting, and if he plays lights out, I'll have words with thee!!!!! (Sorry I'm a Thor fan!)

EbonySteel86 wrote:

IowaSteeler927 wrote:

EbonySteel86 wrote:

IowaSteeler927 wrote:

EbonySteel86 wrote:

The defense had no business letting the Chiefs in this game without their top RB and WR playing.......PERIOD!!!!! Let's not forget, Ben lost to the Bucs AND Mike Vicks Jets.... Yeah THAT Mike Vick!!! So saying he would have made a difference, idk anymore. This team makes average to below average teams look good for some reason. We have now laid eggs against 2 of the saddest teams in the league which is the norm for us no matter who's at QB.

Our defense was without Stephon Tuitt, William Gay got banged up, Antwon Blake got taken out for a short while for concussion protocol, Will Allen was out again, and we had rusty Shazier on the field who hadn't played in weeks. The defense did just enough to keep us in the game despite the injuries, and the past three weeks that defense was the only reason we were in position to win games. Like I was saying before, the offense had a chance to step up, and they failed. The defense didn't turn the ball over three times, the offense did. We had opportunities to drive the field and we turned the ball over, or stalled out.

The Ravens are a rivalry game. Forget their record. They're going to give us everything they've got no matter how bad they are on paper. The Chiefs aren't quite as bad as their record would indicate. They do have some weapons outside of Jamaal Charles and their ball control offense lends itself well to keeping them in tight games, especially when you consider the fact they've got a defense loaded with stellar pass rushers. KC was a bit of a nightmare matchup. We got caught by a team that was on it's heels, playing with a chip on it's shoulder at home, and their strength in pass rushers worked well for them coming up against our offensive line without starting center Maurkice Pouncey, and without starting Left Tackle Kelvin Beachum. In fact I'd say that Tamba Hali's sack at the end of the game was one of the major reasons we had no chance at the end. Guess who gave up that sack? Alejandro Villanueva making his first start at LT.

So while the defense made some mistakes, they couldn't be expected to produce at the exact same level with the litany of injuries they had coming in, and the ones suffered during the game itself. It was high time the offense stepped up and our offensive guys just didn't get the job done in crucial situations.

The only key lost on defense  was Tuitt. After that, the drop off wasn't great at all. Gay, and Blake are probably the 3rd and 4th best CB's on this team, behind Boykin and Cockrell. Anybody who thinks Boykin isn't playing because of his skillset, is beyond crazy. It's has nothing to do with that, and everything to do with that draft pick clause in his contract. Ain't no way in the holy hell can anyone convince  me that Boykin is not GOOD enough to crack the starting line up on THIS roster.....but that's another story. Regardless, our defense didn't make key stops against a Chiefs team WITHOUT 2 of their top 3 offensive weapons. Championship caliber teams don't let that happen. Defense had to play lights out against that group, expecially with our QB starting for the first time EVER! Defense could have made things alot easier for our offense if they didn't make Alex Smith look like Tom Brady, and West look like......JAMAAL CHARLES!!!

If Boykin was that great he'd be starting. It's ridiculous to assume that they're keeping a player that's better than what they're currently fielding on the bench because they don't want to give up a little bit higher draft pick. This is the NFL, the coaches are going to put the players on the field that they feel give them the best opportunity to win. If Boykin was so great, then why didn't he play outside in Philly? I think Boykin is a guy that can come in and play the nickel if needed and can also be a quality backup outside in a pinch, but I'm not sold on him as a full time starter on the outside.

The defense was plainly gassed, they were talent deficient due to injuries, and the offense put them in bad situations with three different turnovers. This is not a world beater defense, plain and simple, and they play their best when the offense is able to give them somewhat of a breather. We live and die by our pass rush as well, and Tuitt not being on the field was the major reason our blitzes weren't getting home as often as they had the three games prior to this Chiefs matchup. The defense did enough to give the offense multiple opportunities to come back and win the game, and the offense screwed those opportunities away.

Well, we'll  see this weekend, cause Boykin is starting, and if he plays lights out, I'll have words with thee!!!!! (Sorry I'm a Thor fan!)

You know what hasnt been talked about much yet is that we can send Tyler Murphy back to the PS but Cortez is likely to stay on IR. Gay is also not a sure thing so while we are very likely to see Boykin out there, Doran Grant could possibly crack the 53 for security's sake.

EbonySteel86 wrote:

Well, we'll  see this weekend, cause Boykin is starting, and if he plays lights out, I'll have words with thee!!!!! (Sorry I'm a Thor fan!)

Boykin could very well light it up, don't get me wrong, you never know. I'll eat some crow if he does.

IowaSteeler927 wrote:

EbonySteel86 wrote:

Well, we'll  see this weekend, cause Boykin is starting, and if he plays lights out, I'll have words with thee!!!!! (Sorry I'm a Thor fan!)

Boykin could very well light it up, don't get me wrong, you never know. I'll eat some crow if he does.

And if he doesnt the family will have to settle for squirrel again.

KeepHarrisonTilHes92 wrote:

EbonySteel86 wrote:

IowaSteeler927 wrote:

EbonySteel86 wrote:

IowaSteeler927 wrote:

EbonySteel86 wrote:

The defense had no business letting the Chiefs in this game without their top RB and WR playing.......PERIOD!!!!! Let's not forget, Ben lost to the Bucs AND Mike Vicks Jets.... Yeah THAT Mike Vick!!! So saying he would have made a difference, idk anymore. This team makes average to below average teams look good for some reason. We have now laid eggs against 2 of the saddest teams in the league which is the norm for us no matter who's at QB.

Our defense was without Stephon Tuitt, William Gay got banged up, Antwon Blake got taken out for a short while for concussion protocol, Will Allen was out again, and we had rusty Shazier on the field who hadn't played in weeks. The defense did just enough to keep us in the game despite the injuries, and the past three weeks that defense was the only reason we were in position to win games. Like I was saying before, the offense had a chance to step up, and they failed. The defense didn't turn the ball over three times, the offense did. We had opportunities to drive the field and we turned the ball over, or stalled out.

The Ravens are a rivalry game. Forget their record. They're going to give us everything they've got no matter how bad they are on paper. The Chiefs aren't quite as bad as their record would indicate. They do have some weapons outside of Jamaal Charles and their ball control offense lends itself well to keeping them in tight games, especially when you consider the fact they've got a defense loaded with stellar pass rushers. KC was a bit of a nightmare matchup. We got caught by a team that was on it's heels, playing with a chip on it's shoulder at home, and their strength in pass rushers worked well for them coming up against our offensive line without starting center Maurkice Pouncey, and without starting Left Tackle Kelvin Beachum. In fact I'd say that Tamba Hali's sack at the end of the game was one of the major reasons we had no chance at the end. Guess who gave up that sack? Alejandro Villanueva making his first start at LT.

So while the defense made some mistakes, they couldn't be expected to produce at the exact same level with the litany of injuries they had coming in, and the ones suffered during the game itself. It was high time the offense stepped up and our offensive guys just didn't get the job done in crucial situations.

The only key lost on defense  was Tuitt. After that, the drop off wasn't great at all. Gay, and Blake are probably the 3rd and 4th best CB's on this team, behind Boykin and Cockrell. Anybody who thinks Boykin isn't playing because of his skillset, is beyond crazy. It's has nothing to do with that, and everything to do with that draft pick clause in his contract. Ain't no way in the holy hell can anyone convince  me that Boykin is not GOOD enough to crack the starting line up on THIS roster.....but that's another story. Regardless, our defense didn't make key stops against a Chiefs team WITHOUT 2 of their top 3 offensive weapons. Championship caliber teams don't let that happen. Defense had to play lights out against that group, expecially with our QB starting for the first time EVER! Defense could have made things alot easier for our offense if they didn't make Alex Smith look like Tom Brady, and West look like......JAMAAL CHARLES!!!

If Boykin was that great he'd be starting. It's ridiculous to assume that they're keeping a player that's better than what they're currently fielding on the bench because they don't want to give up a little bit higher draft pick. This is the NFL, the coaches are going to put the players on the field that they feel give them the best opportunity to win. If Boykin was so great, then why didn't he play outside in Philly? I think Boykin is a guy that can come in and play the nickel if needed and can also be a quality backup outside in a pinch, but I'm not sold on him as a full time starter on the outside.

The defense was plainly gassed, they were talent deficient due to injuries, and the offense put them in bad situations with three different turnovers. This is not a world beater defense, plain and simple, and they play their best when the offense is able to give them somewhat of a breather. We live and die by our pass rush as well, and Tuitt not being on the field was the major reason our blitzes weren't getting home as often as they had the three games prior to this Chiefs matchup. The defense did enough to give the offense multiple opportunities to come back and win the game, and the offense screwed those opportunities away.

Well, we'll  see this weekend, cause Boykin is starting, and if he plays lights out, I'll have words with thee!!!!! (Sorry I'm a Thor fan!)

You know what hasnt been talked about much yet is that we can send Tyler Murphy back to the PS but Cortez is likely to stay on IR. Gay is also not a sure thing so while we are very likely to see Boykin out there, Doran Grant could possibly crack the 53 for security's sake.

Grant was one of the few draft picks I liked. Along with Dupree and Jesse James. Dupree looks like he could end up being pretty damn good. I mean for a rookie you cant ask for much more. And Jesse James is a big tight end 6'6 I think. I am excited to see him develop and im glad pittsburgh has kept him around although he hasnt seen any time on the field. I expect we keep him I dont think we would have wasted a pick on him if we didnt plan on it, even though we wanted Maxx Williams and the gayvens stole him.

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http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/1181/ben-roethlisberger

I would be surprised to hear Ben going public with any recurrence of knee inflammation

We only heard about the knee inflammation last week after the Chiefs game

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http://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/las-vegas/

That is significant movement