Antonio Brown skipped walkthrough, left game early

Master_Of_Puppets wrote:

Report: Tomlin told players Brown will be gone when his production goes down
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/report-tomlin-told-players-brown-141457055.html

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“[Tomlin] essentially told the group, we’ll tolerate it now because of what he brings on the field, but the minute production stops, you don’t overlook it,” one unnamed ex-Steeler said.

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“This has been brewing for years,” one ex-teammate said. “It’s just now coming to the surface. And it’s probably over.”

If true, that explains a lot. He's been getting away with things others can't, because he's been allowed to. That would explain why he expected to play in the Cincy game ... He's gotten away with everything else.

From my untrained point of view, it looks like we've got a spoiled child who has always gotten his way. Now, for the first time, his parents have put their foot down, and the spoiled child is rebelling and acting out. In those kinds of situations, do you blame the spoiled child for being spoiled, or do you blame the parents for spoiling him?

Wallace108 wrote:

Master_Of_Puppets wrote:

Report: Tomlin told players Brown will be gone when his production goes down
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/report-tomlin-told-players-brown-141457055.html

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“[Tomlin] essentially told the group, we’ll tolerate it now because of what he brings on the field, but the minute production stops, you don’t overlook it,” one unnamed ex-Steeler said.

Quote :

“This has been brewing for years,” one ex-teammate said. “It’s just now coming to the surface. And it’s probably over.”

If true, that explains a lot. He's been getting away with things others can't, because he's been allowed to. That would explain why he expected to play in the Cincy game ... He's gotten away with everything else.

From my untrained point of view, it looks like we've got a spoiled child who has always gotten his way. Now, for the first time, his parents have put their foot down, and the spoiled child is rebelling and acting out. In those kinds of situations, do you blame the spoiled child for being spoiled, or do you blame the parents for spoiling him?

i would also guess that tomlin let AB play in previous game after missing practices and such

Wallace108 wrote:

Steelers captain Cam Heyward explains why he wants Antonio Brown ‘here with me' in Pittsburgh next season. pic.twitter.com/xfOfTk6a5N

— Jeremy Fowler (@JFowlerESPN) January 24, 2019

wow, the culture that tomlin has created here is pathetic.
fellow team mates are okay with AB faking an injury, acting like a a hole, skipping a game, wanting to be traded, hanging and laughing at tomlins presser and they still want him back..................

Really good article by Jeremy Fowler ...

http://www.espn.com/blog/pittsburgh-steelers/post/_/id/29995

Oh to have been a fly on the wall in the locker room when AB asked if Tomlin was trying to Martin Luther King him.

jak341 wrote:

Oh to have been a fly on the wall in the locker room when AB asked if Tomlin was trying to Martin Luther King him.

im sure tomlin apologized for checking him for being late

so it looks like Big mouth Ben DID have something to do with it. most likely it was the calling brown out for HIS interception in the end zone.

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Linebacker Bud Dupree said players don't want to pick between Brown and Roethlisberger. Center Maurkice Pouncey likened the duo to brothers who are having issues. Multiple reports claimed Brown's frustration in a midweek walk-through during Week 17 was directed at Roethlisberger.

"I don't like seeing A.B. blamed for all this," one current Steeler said. "To me, he's not the problem."

Master_Of_Puppets wrote:

so it looks like Big mouth Ben DID have something to do with it. most likely it was the calling brown out for HIS interception in the end zone.

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Linebacker Bud Dupree said players don't want to pick between Brown and Roethlisberger. Center Maurkice Pouncey likened the duo to brothers who are having issues. Multiple reports claimed Brown's frustration in a midweek walk-through during Week 17 was directed at Roethlisberger.

"I don't like seeing A.B. blamed for all this," one current Steeler said. "To me, he's not the problem."

And guess who they are looking to extend?

Master_Of_Puppets wrote:

so it looks like Big mouth Ben DID have something to do with it. most likely it was the calling brown out for HIS interception in the end zone.

Here's an old quote from Hines Ward ...

“I sometimes disagree with kind of how he comments on other people,” Ward said. “I know some guys might take that the wrong way. I know earlier in his career, he hated to be critiqued by some of the veteran guys himself.”
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And here's another Ward quote when Ben criticized Martavis ...

“I just think for players, sometimes things aren’t made to be out there in the public,” Ward told Vic Carucci and Dan Leberfeld on Press Coverage. “Some players take offense to that, because now that could have easily been discussed behind closed doors and stuff like that. But the fact that Ben put it out there, now it’s a story, so hopefully you just don’t need distractions like that. You learn how to sit down and discuss it and handle your business not going through the media or anything, just handle it behind closed doors. So, hopefully, something will get resolved from it.”
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For a number of years, Ben was very vocal about wanting a tall receiver, which prompted this response from Ward . .

“We won a Super Bowl. We didn't have a tall receiver then. I don't see Tom Brady caring about whose tall or not.”
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An article from 2013 ...

Roethlisberger, Ward disagree on leadership in Pittsburgh

Amid questions regarding the presence (or absence) of leadership in the Steelers’ locker room, quarterback Ben Roethlisberger wisely waited a week or so before stating his case that, yes, there are still leaders on the team.

If Ben had shared his views last week, the contrast with one of his former teammates would have been far more glaring.

Nine days ago, Hines Ward joined me during a guest-hosting stint on The Dan Patrick Show and said, unequivocally, that there currently is no leadership in the locker room.

...

By saying there’s no leadership in the Pittsburgh locker room, Ward is saying that Roethlisberger isn’t a leader.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/01/roethlisberger-ward-disagree-on-leadership-in-pittsburgh/

nine vegetable wrote:

Master_Of_Puppets wrote:

so it looks like Big mouth Ben DID have something to do with it. most likely it was the calling brown out for HIS interception in the end zone.

Quote :

Linebacker Bud Dupree said players don't want to pick between Brown and Roethlisberger. Center Maurkice Pouncey likened the duo to brothers who are having issues. Multiple reports claimed Brown's frustration in a midweek walk-through during Week 17 was directed at Roethlisberger.

"I don't like seeing A.B. blamed for all this," one current Steeler said. "To me, he's not the problem."

And guess who they are looking to extend?

why would they extend AB?. he has 3 years left
steelers usually extend their qbs 2 years out dont they?

Speaking of leadership ...

Leadership questioned.... challenge accepted and look forward 2019. Can’t wait to get back to the lab. pic.twitter.com/U5VT6tcpma

— Cam Heyward (@CamHeyward) January 27, 2019

Heard that last year. And the year before.

Wallace108 wrote:

Speaking of leadership ...

Leadership questioned.... challenge accepted and look forward 2019. Can’t wait to get back to the lab. pic.twitter.com/U5VT6tcpma

— Cam Heyward (@CamHeyward) January 27, 2019

jak341 wrote:

Heard that last year. And the year before.

Yep. There's always lots of talking. Not so much doing. If you dig through some old threads here (not sure why you'd want to), you'd see we were griping about the lack of leadership at least 5 or 6 years ago. Nothing has changed.

Steelers are good at talking. Just like their coach. Unfortunately, follow through is worth dick.

muncher wrote:

nine vegetable wrote:

Master_Of_Puppets wrote:

so it looks like Big mouth Ben DID have something to do with it. most likely it was the calling brown out for HIS interception in the end zone.

Quote :

Linebacker Bud Dupree said players don't want to pick between Brown and Roethlisberger. Center Maurkice Pouncey likened the duo to brothers who are having issues. Multiple reports claimed Brown's frustration in a midweek walk-through during Week 17 was directed at Roethlisberger.

"I don't like seeing A.B. blamed for all this," one current Steeler said. "To me, he's not the problem."

And guess who they are looking to extend?

why would they extend AB?. he has 3 years left
steelers usually extend their qbs 2 years out dont they?

I thought it was obvious I was talking about Ben.

nine vegetable wrote:

muncher wrote:

nine vegetable wrote:

Master_Of_Puppets wrote:

so it looks like Big mouth Ben DID have something to do with it. most likely it was the calling brown out for HIS interception in the end zone.

Quote :

Linebacker Bud Dupree said players don't want to pick between Brown and Roethlisberger. Center Maurkice Pouncey likened the duo to brothers who are having issues. Multiple reports claimed Brown's frustration in a midweek walk-through during Week 17 was directed at Roethlisberger.

"I don't like seeing A.B. blamed for all this," one current Steeler said. "To me, he's not the problem."

And guess who they are looking to extend?

why would they extend AB?. he has 3 years left
steelers usually extend their qbs 2 years out dont they?

I thought it was obvious I was talking about Ben.

your quote made it sound like you were blaming ben and yet he is the one they want to resign

I was following a quote that blames Ben - and yes, I was talking about them working to extend him.

Maybe it was just a confusing way for me to do that?

Anyway, Ben definitely has a role in the drama.

nine vegetable wrote:

I was following a quote that blames Ben - and yes, I was talking about them working to extend him.

Maybe it was just a confusing way for me to do that?  

Anyway, Ben definitely has a role in the drama.

yup, its all good.
drama to go around but the easiest solution is trade AB and fire tomlin.
AB wants out and tomlin has lost the locker room

I hear ya, but I fall short of calling for Tomlin to be fired, although I am losing patience with the lack of discipline - but it is apparent that the front office has been enabling diva players for years now. Which makes it a lot harder to be a disciplinarian as a coach. The entire organization has to get behind a winning culture - one they used to have but have let slip away. Once the FO gets behind that, if Tomlin doesn't set the record straight, then yeah - his time will need to be up as well.

tomlin is done. you cant go from being buddy buddy with these guys and letting them run wild to being a tough guy.
tomlkin was effective taking a loaded team full of leaders and spewing enough gibberish to put them over the top. since all cow=hers players and leaders have left, we see the resultys. gtreat regular season, choke jobs in post season.

tomlin needs an entire team of pro bowlers, with multiple leaders and a HOF qb to possibly win a super bowl.
i dont see that happening. not with tomlin having final say into who gets drafted

Welp. Jeremy Fowler was on today's morning show. I missed 3/4 of the interview, but here is what I did hear as part of the wrap up: it is inevitable. AB will not be a Steeler. There is too much damage in the relationship. The players aren't backing AB as they did before.

Also heard rumors that the Steelers are exploring offers, and none of them include a 1st rounder.

jak341 wrote:

Welp. Jeremy Fowler was on today's morning show. I missed 3/4 of the interview, but here is what I did hear as part of the wrap up: it is inevitable. AB will not be a Steeler. There is too much damage in the relationship. The players aren't backing AB as they did before.

Also heard rumors that the Steelers are exploring offers, and none of them include a 1st rounder.

im really torn then. on one hand i say F him and ship him off. the team would be better off without his drama
the other hand says F him and keep him. hes worth more than a 2nd rounder. who cares if he isnt happy here, we own his arse PLUS i think it would be funny to have all the drama another year, if it helps gets tomlin out the door.
ok, i say keep him and make everyone unhappy. hell, tomlin cant win anyways regardless of talent.......

I think the trade of AB might happen on draft day.

AB and Bell are gone. It's just media chatter anything to the contrary.

I thought I read there's a financial penalty if steelers hang onto him past a certain date in March. But I do agree with effyou about a draft day trade. Actually I'd prefer it, when teams are desperate. I'm thinking we'd get greater value.