Pro Football Focus rates Antwon Blake # 167 among 172 CBs

No Pro Bowl for Blake? Come on man

Stella Nation wrote:

No Pro Bowl for Blake? Come on man

Oh he made the Pro Bowl, for all of our opponents this season.

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Steel Peon wrote:

I used to defend Blake, there is simply no defending this kid anymore. It's painfully obvious he isn't getting the job done, and the production of the defense while he's sitting on the bench is proof positive that these changes need to be made on a more permanent basis. With Cockrell playing in his place the defense gets better, plain and simple.

Thank you. I can understand that some people don't analyze technique and like to rely on stats, but this is plain as the day is long. You can see on TV that Blake is the worst CB on this team and you can see it in his stat line.

El-Gonzo Jackson wrote:

Thank you.        I can understand that some people don't analyze technique and like to rely on stats, but this is plain as the day is long.  You can see on TV that Blake is the worst CB on this team and you can see it in his stat line.

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No problem! Yeah the Broncos game alone really tells the whole story. One half Blake takes the snaps and we give up 27 points, most of them way too easily. The second half Blake rides the pine for all but a handful of plays while Cockrell takes Blake's spot, Gay takes Cockrell's, and Boykin plays the slot. We give up no points, and come back and win the game with two defensive stops to crush Denver's chances of tying or winning the game. I'll take the Boykin/Gay/Cockrell combo over the Blake one at this point.

IowaSteeler927 wrote:

El-Gonzo Jackson wrote:

Thank you.        I can understand that some people don't analyze technique and like to rely on stats, but this is plain as the day is long.  You can see on TV that Blake is the worst CB on this team and you can see it in his stat line.

No problem! Yeah the Broncos game alone really tells the whole story. One half Blake takes the snaps and we give up 27 points, most of them way too easily. The second half Blake rides the pine for all but a handful of plays while Cockrell takes Blake's spot, Gay takes Cockrell's, and Boykin plays the slot. We give up no points, and come back and win the game with two defensive stops to crush Denver's chances of tying or winning the game. I'll take the Boykin/Gay/Cockrell combo over the Blake one at this point. [/quote]

Actually, the Broncos game Blake played his usual soft coverage and didn't close the space on deep dig routes, like has all season. The D. Thomas TD showed that a 5'9" guy with little man syndrome isn't going to tackle high, 1 on 1. The instant Blake got in the game in the 2nd half, Osweiller goes to Thomas for a deep sideline pass, which shows that QB's know he is a mismatch and want to abuse him.

The rest of the secondary, like Gay, Cockrell, Allen also gave too much space in the 1st half and looked a bit confused as to who was supposed to cover who in zones. Maybe Boykin communicates better with Gay in the slot and comes close to INT on that bubble screen? I think the secondary as a whole got better at coverage in the 2nd half and were soft in the 1st.

So, what I am saying is that Blake was his usual substandard self in coverage, but I think some of the other stalwarts in the secondary contributed to the 1st half meltdown, more than just Blake on the outside compared to Gay on the outside and Boykin in the slot.

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Actually, the Broncos game Blake played his usual soft coverage and didn't close the space on deep dig routes, like has all season.  The D. Thomas TD showed that a 5'9" guy with little man syndrome isn't going to tackle high, 1 on 1.  The instant Blake got in the game in the 2nd half, Osweiller goes to Thomas for a deep sideline pass, which shows that QB's know he is a mismatch and want to abuse him.

The rest of the secondary, like Gay, Cockrell, Allen also gave too much space in the 1st half and looked a bit confused as to who was supposed to cover who in zones.  Maybe Boykin communicates better with Gay in the slot and comes close to INT on that bubble screen?  I think the secondary as a whole got better at coverage in the 2nd half and were soft in the 1st.

So, what I am saying is that Blake was his usual substandard self in coverage, but I think some of the other stalwarts in the secondary contributed to the 1st half meltdown, more than just Blake on the outside compared to Gay on the outside and Boykin in the slot.

Definitely not completely his fault, but his constant miscues only serve to amplify the mistakes of others. And like you were saying, opposing QBs know to target him and pick on him, which isn't a good thing.

Makes me wonder if the difference between Blake being on the field and Blake being on the bench is a superbowl

IowaSteeler927 wrote:

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Actually, the Broncos game Blake played his usual soft coverage and didn't close the space on deep dig routes, like has all season.  The D. Thomas TD showed that a 5'9" guy with little man syndrome isn't going to tackle high, 1 on 1.  The instant Blake got in the game in the 2nd half, Osweiller goes to Thomas for a deep sideline pass, which shows that QB's know he is a mismatch and want to abuse him.

The rest of the secondary, like Gay, Cockrell, Allen also gave too much space in the 1st half and looked a bit confused as to who was supposed to cover who in zones.  Maybe Boykin communicates better with Gay in the slot and comes close to INT on that bubble screen?  I think the secondary as a whole got better at coverage in the 2nd half and were soft in the 1st.

So, what I am saying is that Blake was his usual substandard self in coverage, but I think some of the other stalwarts in the secondary contributed to the 1st half meltdown, more than just Blake on the outside compared to Gay on the outside and Boykin in the slot.

Definitely not completely his fault, but his constant miscues only serve to amplify the mistakes of others. And like you were saying, opposing QBs know to target him and pick on him, which isn't a good thing.

Yeah, actually one of his better games. Only probably 5 receptions, 1TD and 80 yards given up. Not like the big games he gave up against the Raiders, Seahawks, Cardinals, Browns.

Pretty sad when your starting CB only gives up 1TD on around 30 snaps and that is a good game for him.

from Pro Football Focus:

No CB with 500+ snaps has allowed more receiving yards than the Steelers' Antwon Blake (1,003)

Hawaii 5-0 wrote:

from Pro Football Focus:

No CB with 500+ snaps has allowed more receiving yards than the Steelers' Antwon Blake (1,003)

Should we congratulate Blake for having a 1,000 yard season?

Or should we take this as more misinformation being posted on this board about #41, as some posters have said??

El-Gonzo Jackson wrote:

Hawaii 5-0 wrote:

from Pro Football Focus:

No CB with 500+ snaps has allowed more receiving yards than the Steelers' Antwon Blake (1,003)

Should we congratulate Blake for having a 1,000 yard season?  

Or should we take this as more misinformation being posted on this board about #41, as some posters have said??  

Don't believe the liberal (i.e. Jewish) media's lies about Blake

I wanna see what Golson and Grant can do next season

Hawaii 5-0 wrote:

from Pro Football Focus:

No CB with 500+ snaps has allowed more receiving yards than the Steelers' Antwon Blake (1,003)

When Ryan Fucking Mallett makes you his bitch, you don't deserve to play in the NFL.

Hawaii 5-0 wrote:

from Pro Football Focus:

No CB with 500+ snaps has allowed more receiving yards than the Steelers' Antwon Blake (1,003)

He better not play for us in 2016. Bye Blake.

Another strike out at the CB position

schillah wrote:

Another strike out at the CB position

We didn't draft Blake.

yeah this really needs to be addressed, 2 starting cb's we have were waiver wire pickups. we either are really bad at scouting CB's or bad at developing them

gay is the only cb we drafted that ended up being anything and that seemed like eons ago

Fire Arians wrote:

yeah this really needs to be addressed, 2 starting cb's we have were waiver wire pickups. we either are really bad at scouting CB's or bad at developing them

gay is the only cb we drafted that ended up being anything and that seemed like eons ago

Probably a little bit of both. We may like Lake because he was a good player for us, but that doesn't necessarily mean he's a good coach. I'm not saying he's a bad one. I'm just saying I would turn over stones about instilling a fresh new philosophy into that secondary because the current one sucks. I always blame the coaches, because our corners and safeties are athletic NFL players with equal potential as JJ Watt or a practice squad guy. I'm not saying they can be elite, but when a whole football unit looks bad, that's on the coach at that point.

I'm a big Senquez supporter. I liked the pick and I still do and I hope he makes the kind of impact I want him to make next year. Still need to draft back there. Need to look into coaches too.

KeepHarrisonTilHes92 wrote:

Fire Arians wrote:

yeah this really needs to be addressed, 2 starting cb's we have were waiver wire pickups. we either are really bad at scouting CB's or bad at developing them

gay is the only cb we drafted that ended up being anything and that seemed like eons ago

Probably a little bit of both. We may like Lake because he was a good player for us, but that doesn't necessarily mean he's a good coach. I'm not saying he's a bad one. I'm just saying I would turn over stones about instilling a fresh new philosophy into that secondary because the current one sucks. I always blame the coaches, because our corners and safeties are athletic NFL players with equal potential as JJ Watt or a practice squad guy. I'm not saying they can be elite, but when a whole football unit looks bad, that's on the coach at that point.

I'm a big Senquez supporter. I liked the pick and I still do and I hope he makes the kind of impact I want him to make next year. Still need to draft back there. Need to look into coaches too.

I really hope Senquez recovers fully and contributes to making the secondary much better however I'm cautiously optimistic the guy is 5'8 and 170. Not only his size but Tomlin pushed to draft the guy with a 2nd round pick knowing full well he would likely need surgery ending his season before it began. The Steelers needed Secondary help now not in 2-3 years when the kid is ready and Ben is in his 13th season.

WCSteeler wrote:

KeepHarrisonTilHes92 wrote:

Fire Arians wrote:

yeah this really needs to be addressed, 2 starting cb's we have were waiver wire pickups. we either are really bad at scouting CB's or bad at developing them

gay is the only cb we drafted that ended up being anything and that seemed like eons ago

Probably a little bit of both. We may like Lake because he was a good player for us, but that doesn't necessarily mean he's a good coach. I'm not saying he's a bad one. I'm just saying I would turn over stones about instilling a fresh new philosophy into that secondary because the current one sucks. I always blame the coaches, because our corners and safeties are athletic NFL players with equal potential as JJ Watt or a practice squad guy. I'm not saying they can be elite, but when a whole football unit looks bad, that's on the coach at that point.

I'm a big Senquez supporter. I liked the pick and I still do and I hope he makes the kind of impact I want him to make next year. Still need to draft back there. Need to look into coaches too.

I really hope Senquez recovers fully and contributes to making the secondary much better however I'm cautiously optimistic the guy is 5'8 and 170. Not only his size but Tomlin pushed to draft the guy with a 2nd round pick knowing full well he would likely need surgery ending his season before it began. The Steelers needed Secondary help now not in 2-3 years when the kid is ready and Ben is in his 13th season.

I hear when he was in training camp his weight was up to a solid 190. His height may be an issue at times but he's definitely not too small to play run support.

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2015/08/steelers-rookie-cb-senquez-golson-has-added-16-pounds-since-combine/

KeepHarrisonTilHes92 wrote:

Fire Arians wrote:

yeah this really needs to be addressed, 2 starting cb's we have were waiver wire pickups. we either are really bad at scouting CB's or bad at developing them

gay is the only cb we drafted that ended up being anything and that seemed like eons ago

Probably a little bit of both. We may like Lake because he was a good player for us, but that doesn't necessarily mean he's a good coach. I'm not saying he's a bad one. I'm just saying I would turn over stones about instilling a fresh new philosophy into that secondary because the current one sucks. I always blame the coaches, because our corners and safeties are athletic NFL players with equal potential as JJ Watt or a practice squad guy. I'm not saying they can be elite, but when a whole football unit looks bad, that's on the coach at that point.

I'm a big Senquez supporter. I liked the pick and I still do and I hope he makes the kind of impact I want him to make next year. Still need to draft back there. Need to look into coaches too.

I am starting to question if Lake is the right secondary coach. He doesn't have the best talent to begin with, but Boykin has been one of the best slot CB's the past few seasons. Blake has proven to be one of the worst CB's in the league this year. At some point you put the best players on the field, not pegging guys into holes.

This team is better off with Cockrell and Gay starting and then Boykin in Nickel corner. I think Lake is a big fan of Blake and let his personal bias get in the way of success of the secondary as a whole. Coaches sometimes believe in "their guy" and give him opportunities to bounce back...I've seen it, I've probably done it. At some point the DC or HC needs to ask the position coach if he has the right guy playing...then he needs to tell the position coach to "get somebody else in there".

Put a lot of the secondaries problems on the Front seven lack of pass rush.

current overall PFF CB rankings: 0-59 replaceable, 60-69 backup, 70-84 starter, 85-89 pro bowler, 90-100 elite

Boykin - 80
Cockrell - 79.1 ranked 30 (out of 121)
Gay -76.3 ranked 40
Blake - 31.7 ranked 118
C. Allen - 30.2

Hawaii 5-0 wrote:

current overall PFF CB rankings: 0-59 replaceable, 60-69 backup, 70-84 starter, 85-89 pro bowler, 90-100 elite

Boykin - 80
Cockrell - 79.1 ranked 30 (out of 121)
Gay -76.3 ranked 40
Blake - 31.7 ranked 118
C. Allen - 30.2

Seems about right. I'm surprised Gay isn't ranked higher, but he does tend to get burned a lot when he's trying to jump a route. Double edged blade with him. Still way better than Blake, though.

From what I've seen though Boykin is by far our best cover coner

Fire Arians wrote:

Hawaii 5-0 wrote:

current overall PFF CB rankings: 0-59 replaceable, 60-69 backup, 70-84 starter, 85-89 pro bowler, 90-100 elite

Boykin - 80
Cockrell - 79.1 ranked 30 (out of 121)
Gay -76.3 ranked 40
Blake - 31.7 ranked 118
C. Allen - 30.2

Seems about right. I'm surprised Gay isn't ranked higher, but he does tend to get burned a lot when he's trying to jump a route. Double edged blade with him. Still way better than Blake, though.

From what I've seen though Boykin is by far our best cover coner

Boykin's been the best cover corner since training camp. Hell I would go as far to say he was our best cover corner since the day we signed him. Don't know why it took this long to play him. Still believe it had something to do with giving up the 4th round pick, because honestly, there's really no other explanations