It's Time To Move On From Tomlin

Master_Of_Puppets wrote:

so who would the other disgruntled be? guys that don't want to be there ? pouncy ? artie burns ? cam sutton ?
if i'm colbert i'd gather em all up and flat out ask who wants to be traded or released ...

jak341 wrote:

Master_Of_Puppets wrote:

so who would the other disgruntled be? guys that don't want to be there ? pouncy ? artie burns ? cam sutton ?
if i'm colbert i'd gather em all up and flat out ask who wants to be traded or released ... [smiley]https://2img.net/u/3315/14/51/45/smiles/2087824411.gif[/smiley]

I have no idea. Cam brought it up in conversation very nonchalantly. They were talking about AB. I think the question was something like does the team want AB to remain a Steeler. Cam said yes, but does AB want to remain a Steeler, and that goes for some other members of the team too. Maybe it was Cam venting frustration, but it was an odd statement to make.

I am wondering if the locker room is split between those that support AB and seem to be through with Tomlin [including ex-players such as Harrision], and the rest of the team.

Master_Of_Puppets wrote:

so who would the other disgruntled be? guys that don't want to be there ? pouncy ? artie burns ? cam sutton ?
if i'm colbert i'd gather em all up and flat out ask who wants to be traded or released ...

kirklandrules wrote:

jak341 wrote:

Master_Of_Puppets wrote:

so who would the other disgruntled be? guys that don't want to be there ? pouncy ? artie burns ? cam sutton ?
if i'm colbert i'd gather em all up and flat out ask who wants to be traded or released ... [smiley]https://2img.net/u/3315/14/51/45/smiles/2087824411.gif[/smiley]

I have no idea. Cam brought it up in conversation very nonchalantly. They were talking about AB. I think the question was something like does the team want AB to remain a Steeler. Cam said yes, but does AB want to remain a Steeler, and that goes for some other members of the team too. Maybe it was Cam venting frustration, but it was an odd statement to make.

I am wondering if the locker room is split between those that support AB and seem to be through with Tomlin [including ex-players such as Harrision], and the rest of the team.

I don't think this is an AB vs non-AB statement.  I think he's calling out a few on the roster who are simply out for themselves. So I take Cam's statement as the players on the roster better start buying into the team concept.

solardave wrote:

kirklandrules wrote:

jak341 wrote:

Master_Of_Puppets wrote:

so who would the other disgruntled be? guys that don't want to be there ? pouncy ? artie burns ? cam sutton ?
if i'm colbert i'd gather em all up and flat out ask who wants to be traded or released ... [smiley]https://2img.net/u/3315/14/51/45/smiles/2087824411.gif[/smiley]

I have no idea. Cam brought it up in conversation very nonchalantly. They were talking about AB. I think the question was something like does the team want AB to remain a Steeler. Cam said yes, but does AB want to remain a Steeler, and that goes for some other members of the team too. Maybe it was Cam venting frustration, but it was an odd statement to make.

I am wondering if the locker room is split between those that support AB and seem to be through with Tomlin [including ex-players such as Harrision], and the rest of the team.

I don't think this is an AB vs non-AB statement.  I think he's calling out a few on the roster who are simply out for themselves. So I take Cam's statement as the players on the roster better start buying into the team concept.

That's kind of the way I took it. Things have to change if we intend to win any games going forward. If Tomlin doesn't get a handle on the ones that are selfish and draw the line I think next year will be ugly ugly ugly and he'll be gone. The clock is ticking. Since the misses and near misses on draftees as of late we could be looking at a total rebuild instead of a reload. Sucks to be us right now.

stlrtruck wrote:

For those who want to move on from Tomlin, who would your coaching choice be?

stlrtruck wrote:

For those who want to move on from Tomlin, who would your coaching choice be?

stlrtruck wrote:

For those who want to move on from Tomlin, who would your coaching choice be?

stlrtruck wrote:

For those who want to move on from Tomlin, who would your coaching choice be?

jak341 wrote:

solardave wrote:

kirklandrules wrote:

jak341 wrote:

Master_Of_Puppets wrote:

so who would the other disgruntled be? guys that don't want to be there ? pouncy ? artie burns ? cam sutton ?
if i'm colbert i'd gather em all up and flat out ask who wants to be traded or released ... [smiley]https://2img.net/u/3315/14/51/45/smiles/2087824411.gif[/smiley]

I have no idea. Cam brought it up in conversation very nonchalantly. They were talking about AB. I think the question was something like does the team want AB to remain a Steeler. Cam said yes, but does AB want to remain a Steeler, and that goes for some other members of the team too. Maybe it was Cam venting frustration, but it was an odd statement to make.

I am wondering if the locker room is split between those that support AB and seem to be through with Tomlin [including ex-players such as Harrision], and the rest of the team.

I don't think this is an AB vs non-AB statement.  I think he's calling out a few on the roster who are simply out for themselves. So I take Cam's statement as the players on the roster better start buying into the team concept.

That's kind of the way I took it. Things have to change if we intend to win any games going forward. If Tomlin doesn't get a handle on the ones that are selfish and draw the line I think next year will be ugly ugly ugly and he'll be gone. The clock is ticking. Since the misses and near misses on draftees as of late we could be looking at a total rebuild instead of a reload. Sucks to be us right now.

I'm thinking total rebuild regardless when Ben leaves. If Mason is not ready, or turns out to be a draft miss, it is going to be ugly in Pittsburgh for the foreseeable future.

jak341 wrote:

Benz is all but calling for Tomlin's head.

https://triblive.com/sports/columnists/timbenz/breakfastwithbenz/14468266-74/tim-benz-steelers-should-be-better-than-mike-tomlin-has-made-them

stlrtruck wrote:

jak341 wrote:

Benz is all but calling for Tomlin's head.

https://triblive.com/sports/columnists/timbenz/breakfastwithbenz/14468266-74/tim-benz-steelers-should-be-better-than-mike-tomlin-has-made-them

Tomlin's resume is impressive and while I'm not on the side of firing him (just yet), I do believe one thing, which Benz doesn't mention in this article, that should be considered for Tomlin - Has he lost the locker room?

There's plenty of argument on this one.  If it's a player or two and others are in line, has he really lost the locker room?  With many players speaking out on radio stations and/or through social media - has he really lost the locker room?

Wallace108 wrote:

stlrtruck wrote:

For those who want to move on from Tomlin, who would your coaching choice be?

I've seen this question asked a lot on social media, as if we're going to bring in a big-name coach. None of us predicted Cowher or Tomlin when they were hired. Heck, most of us had never heard of them. So if Art does follow Dan's model, the next coach will be someone few, if any, of us know. But I could be wrong since we haven't seen Art hire a coach yet.

kirklandrules wrote:

Wallace108 wrote:

stlrtruck wrote:

For those who want to move on from Tomlin, who would your coaching choice be?

I've seen this question asked a lot on social media, as if we're going to bring in a big-name coach. None of us predicted Cowher or Tomlin when they were hired. Heck, most of us had never heard of them. So if Art does follow Dan's model, the next coach will be someone few, if any, of us know. But I could be wrong since we haven't seen Art hire a coach yet.

I'm surprised no one mentions Munch as a Tomlin replacement. That's who I would pick if I dumped Tomlin.

I listened to the Tomlin press conference. For anyone who hasn't seen some of my prior posts on Tomlin, I lean toward supporting the guy more than dumping on him. After listening to his presser, I'm more supportive of him than I have been in the past. I felt he went above and beyond trying to answer every question the press dumped on him regarding a bad situation with AB. I heard a guy who is partly angry, frustrated, disappointed and very quickly took responsibility. He deserves credit for the way he handled AB and having him sit out regardless of what would happen with the team ... that sends a clear message to the rest of the players on how far Tomlin would go to address the BS going on within the team.

I don't think he lost the team, but one question Rooney has to answer for himself is if the frustration by the players and staff if the team culture is fixable or not. There's a difference between losing faith in your leader and not liking the culture.

kirklandrules wrote:

Wallace108 wrote:

stlrtruck wrote:

For those who want to move on from Tomlin, who would your coaching choice be?

I've seen this question asked a lot on social media, as if we're going to bring in a big-name coach. None of us predicted Cowher or Tomlin when they were hired. Heck, most of us had never heard of them. So if Art does follow Dan's model, the next coach will be someone few, if any, of us know. But I could be wrong since we haven't seen Art hire a coach yet.

I'm surprised no one mentions Munch as a Tomlin replacement. That's who I would pick if I dumped Tomlin.

I listened to the Tomlin press conference. For anyone who hasn't seen some of my prior posts on Tomlin, I lean toward supporting the guy more than dumping on him. After listening to his presser, I'm more supportive of him than I have been in the past. I felt he went above and beyond trying to answer every question the press dumped on him regarding a bad situation with AB. I heard a guy who is partly angry, frustrated, disappointed and very quickly took responsibility. He deserves credit for the way he handled AB and having him sit out regardless of what would happen with the team ... that sends a clear message to the rest of the players on how far Tomlin would go to address the BS going on within the team.

I don't think he lost the team, but one question Rooney has to answer for himself is if the frustration by the players and staff if the team culture is fixable or not. There's a difference between losing faith in your leader and not liking the culture.

stlrtruck wrote:

For those who want to move on from Tomlin, who would your coaching choice be?

nine vegetable wrote:

kirklandrules wrote:

Wallace108 wrote:

stlrtruck wrote:

For those who want to move on from Tomlin, who would your coaching choice be?

I've seen this question asked a lot on social media, as if we're going to bring in a big-name coach. None of us predicted Cowher or Tomlin when they were hired. Heck, most of us had never heard of them. So if Art does follow Dan's model, the next coach will be someone few, if any, of us know. But I could be wrong since we haven't seen Art hire a coach yet.

I'm surprised no one mentions Munch as a Tomlin replacement. That's who I would pick if I dumped Tomlin.

I listened to the Tomlin press conference. For anyone who hasn't seen some of my prior posts on Tomlin, I lean toward supporting the guy more than dumping on him. After listening to his presser, I'm more supportive of him than I have been in the past. I felt he went above and beyond trying to answer every question the press dumped on him regarding a bad situation with AB. I heard a guy who is partly angry, frustrated, disappointed and very quickly took responsibility. He deserves credit for the way he handled AB and having him sit out regardless of what would happen with the team ... that sends a clear message to the rest of the players on how far Tomlin would go to address the BS going on within the team.

I don't think he lost the team, but one question Rooney has to answer for himself is if the frustration by the players and staff if the team culture is fixable or not. There's a difference between losing faith in your leader and not liking the culture.

I really like your perspective on this.

A coach has to work within the structure he is a part of.  I have a feeling not everything is his choice.  In other words, I think the front office has coddled some of the superstars, perhaps more than Tomlin would have preferred.  

There are always dynamics we aren't privy too as fans.

I liked your other post too, kirkland.

Wallace108 wrote:

nine vegetable wrote:

kirklandrules wrote:

Wallace108 wrote:

stlrtruck wrote:

For those who want to move on from Tomlin, who would your coaching choice be?

I've seen this question asked a lot on social media, as if we're going to bring in a big-name coach. None of us predicted Cowher or Tomlin when they were hired. Heck, most of us had never heard of them. So if Art does follow Dan's model, the next coach will be someone few, if any, of us know. But I could be wrong since we haven't seen Art hire a coach yet.

I'm surprised no one mentions Munch as a Tomlin replacement. That's who I would pick if I dumped Tomlin.

I listened to the Tomlin press conference. For anyone who hasn't seen some of my prior posts on Tomlin, I lean toward supporting the guy more than dumping on him. After listening to his presser, I'm more supportive of him than I have been in the past. I felt he went above and beyond trying to answer every question the press dumped on him regarding a bad situation with AB. I heard a guy who is partly angry, frustrated, disappointed and very quickly took responsibility. He deserves credit for the way he handled AB and having him sit out regardless of what would happen with the team ... that sends a clear message to the rest of the players on how far Tomlin would go to address the BS going on within the team.

I don't think he lost the team, but one question Rooney has to answer for himself is if the frustration by the players and staff if the team culture is fixable or not. There's a difference between losing faith in your leader and not liking the culture.

I really like your perspective on this.

A coach has to work within the structure he is a part of.  I have a feeling not everything is his choice.  In other words, I think the front office has coddled some of the superstars, perhaps more than Tomlin would have preferred.  

There are always dynamics we aren't privy too as fans.

I liked your other post too, kirkland.

I'm always in favor of more posts from kirkland.

Maybe because he usually agrees with me.

nine vegetable wrote:

Wallace108 wrote:

nine vegetable wrote:

kirklandrules wrote:

Wallace108 wrote:

stlrtruck wrote:

For those who want to move on from Tomlin, who would your coaching choice be?

I've seen this question asked a lot on social media, as if we're going to bring in a big-name coach. None of us predicted Cowher or Tomlin when they were hired. Heck, most of us had never heard of them. So if Art does follow Dan's model, the next coach will be someone few, if any, of us know. But I could be wrong since we haven't seen Art hire a coach yet.

I'm surprised no one mentions Munch as a Tomlin replacement. That's who I would pick if I dumped Tomlin.

I listened to the Tomlin press conference. For anyone who hasn't seen some of my prior posts on Tomlin, I lean toward supporting the guy more than dumping on him. After listening to his presser, I'm more supportive of him than I have been in the past. I felt he went above and beyond trying to answer every question the press dumped on him regarding a bad situation with AB. I heard a guy who is partly angry, frustrated, disappointed and very quickly took responsibility. He deserves credit for the way he handled AB and having him sit out regardless of what would happen with the team ... that sends a clear message to the rest of the players on how far Tomlin would go to address the BS going on within the team.

I don't think he lost the team, but one question Rooney has to answer for himself is if the frustration by the players and staff if the team culture is fixable or not. There's a difference between losing faith in your leader and not liking the culture.

I really like your perspective on this.

A coach has to work within the structure he is a part of.  I have a feeling not everything is his choice.  In other words, I think the front office has coddled some of the superstars, perhaps more than Tomlin would have preferred.  

There are always dynamics we aren't privy too as fans.

I liked your other post too, kirkland.

I'm always in favor of more posts from kirkland.

Maybe because he usually agrees with me.

I agree with both of you!

Wallace108 wrote:

nine vegetable wrote:

Wallace108 wrote:

nine vegetable wrote:

kirklandrules wrote:

Wallace108 wrote:

stlrtruck wrote:

For those who want to move on from Tomlin, who would your coaching choice be?

I've seen this question asked a lot on social media, as if we're going to bring in a big-name coach. None of us predicted Cowher or Tomlin when they were hired. Heck, most of us had never heard of them. So if Art does follow Dan's model, the next coach will be someone few, if any, of us know. But I could be wrong since we haven't seen Art hire a coach yet.

I'm surprised no one mentions Munch as a Tomlin replacement. That's who I would pick if I dumped Tomlin.

I listened to the Tomlin press conference. For anyone who hasn't seen some of my prior posts on Tomlin, I lean toward supporting the guy more than dumping on him. After listening to his presser, I'm more supportive of him than I have been in the past. I felt he went above and beyond trying to answer every question the press dumped on him regarding a bad situation with AB. I heard a guy who is partly angry, frustrated, disappointed and very quickly took responsibility. He deserves credit for the way he handled AB and having him sit out regardless of what would happen with the team ... that sends a clear message to the rest of the players on how far Tomlin would go to address the BS going on within the team.

I don't think he lost the team, but one question Rooney has to answer for himself is if the frustration by the players and staff if the team culture is fixable or not. There's a difference between losing faith in your leader and not liking the culture.

I really like your perspective on this.

A coach has to work within the structure he is a part of.  I have a feeling not everything is his choice.  In other words, I think the front office has coddled some of the superstars, perhaps more than Tomlin would have preferred.  

There are always dynamics we aren't privy too as fans.

I liked your other post too, kirkland.

I'm always in favor of more posts from kirkland.

Maybe because he usually agrees with me.

I agree with both of you!

That's not something to brag about.

jak341 wrote:

Take this for what it is worth.

https://www.reddit.com/r/steelers/comments/ae90tj/bouchette_on_the_fan_steelers_likely_done_making/?utm_source=reddit-android

According to @JFowlerESPN the #Steelers are expected to bring back Keith Butler after he and Tomlin had a productive meeting about the future of the defense.

— SteelerNation (@SteeIerNation) January 9, 2019